Do 5.0's have freon in them?

[sunil6784]

So i was driving around the other day, when it was like 100 degrees and 100% humidity. My cousin was in the car, and asked if we could put the a/c on instead of put the top down. I prefer the top...but anyways...we put the a/c on and it felt like it could be a little bit colder. I'm thinking it just needs to be recharged. Do our cars have R-12 or R-134a in them? What year did they switch over to R-134a?

 

[bubba-dough]

The fox has R12 unless it has been changed over to R134a. R12 is very expensive. It use to be available to everyone, then it was only available to certified people, now against the law to even manufacture. There is still some out there but very very expensive. R134a is cheap and anybody can do it once it is changed over....please have it professionally evacuated and changed over. Don't let that stuff out in the air. Anyway R12 and R134a are not compatible, they won't mix. And if it needs charged it has a leak. You should have dye put in the system to find the leak(s). BTW use an a/c themometer to check the air it may be fine but being really hot and in a vert it may not feel as cold as it should.

 

[LXSTASY]

I used a conversion kit that I bought for $40 from a parts store. It converted it over to R134 from R12. It worked good and its cheaper than getting the rings and seals changed. Supposedly it has an oil in it to seal the rings to withstand the higher pressure that R134 has. R12 is cooler and runs at a lower pressure, but now it is illegal.

 

[bubba-dough]

Its a good idea to change the o-rings anyway if it needs changed over. They are usually the leak points and they are very cheap and easy to change. If they aren't leaking chances are they will. Their shelf life is 7 years.

 

[fiveofanatic]

R12 manufacturing is banned in the States; the stuff itself is still available & legal for use at repair shops, & R134a is starting to catch up to R12 in price. The R12 systems work best with R12 (around here, a small change in system performance means a lot).

Mustangs went to R134a in '94.

 

[bubba-dough]

????? R134a is starting to catch up in price to R12? The last time I looked you can get R134a for under $5 a can at your local walmart or parts store. Thats under $20 for full charge. R12 is a few hundred to charge. I looked into it on my car this spring, because R12 is much colder plus like you said it is a R12 system and it is designed to work with R12. I decided to scrap the ac altogether even though I work at the factory where we make the ac systems for Ford.

 

[84blkstang]

The o-rings are $7 so go ahead and have them fixed if you are going to have it changed over, my car didnt have a line on it to begin with so i went a head and changed the o rings, myself. Then i went to a shop and had it vaccumed out and charged. cost me $100, so for a grand total of $107 i have AC it is great

 

[PuterAmI]

????? R134a is starting to catch up in price to R12? The last time I looked you can get R134a for under $5 a can at your local walmart or parts store. Thats under $20 for full charge. R12 is a few hundred to charge.

R12 is NOT illegal.
You are comparing apples to oranges.

It's been a while since you looked into this.

R12 goes for $20 a pound.
R134A goes for $8-10 a pound at any of the three auto parts stores here (Autozone, Advance, O'Reilly's).

You want to compare charge price? A friend here just had two of her vehicles done. Charge price she was given is $40 a pound for R134A.

It is cheaper to replace the o-rings (the seal kit is ~$8), get your certification to buy R12 (costs $20), then buy R12 and charge it than it is to properly convert a system.

For details on how to properly convert an R12 to R134A, see the below URL.

http://www.knology.net/~puter/carpics/r134a.html

I've done hundreds of converts.

 

[5.0vert]

i have no ac in my 87 and i love it lol

 

[bubba-dough]

R12 is NOT illegal.
You are comparing apples to oranges.

I said R12 was illegal to MANUFACTURE because it depletes the ozone.(in the U.S.) As of December 31, 1995. I also said you had to be certified to get it. Try reading and understanding the whole quote. If it isn't why was all the ac systems changed to R134a. And btw pal, that is the quote I got at our local ac shop for the r12 they said it is getting nearly impossible to get (that was this past April). And why wouldn't it, it hasn't been made here in 10yrs. But with the age mine had (15 yrs and 168,000 miles) I figured to chunk it because this isn't my daily driver. I could just as easily got an entire system for free and charged it myself. Also I hope that link wasn't for me...I make ac systems for Ford for a living. You may have converted hundreds but I have made hundreds of thousands.....

 

[bobcatv8]

Speaking just for Fords, all were using R-134 from the factory starting in the 1994 model year. Most all R-12 cars can use R-134 with a swap of a few parts. I would suggest letting a professional do it for best results, but it aint brain surgery. As far a R-12, use it if you've got it! I still have 18 or so 12 oz cans of R-12 left so that's what my '88 will get until it's gone!
If you are changing your car over to 134, just let the R-12 fly! It's all going to end up in the atmosphere sooner or later! When it's gone, it's gone. Unless all remaining R-12 is loaded on a rocket and shot into outer space eventually it's going to the sky.
BTW, the last two 30 lb cylinders I bought for my shop cost us just under $300. Forget R-12, no can find!

 

[Euphoric306]

no, they have gas in them, and internal parts...








......but fox bodies have a/c systems with r12 hehe

 

[PuterAmI]

And btw pal, that is the quote I got at our local ac shop for the r12 they said it is getting nearly impossible to get (that was this past April). QUOTE]
Uh, dOOd...

Get off your high horse, quit believing everything you are told and read and research for yourself. Scientific studies have now shown that the ozone depletion excuse is bunk.

You want to get the M609 cert?
http://www.epatest.com

You want to buy the real R12 at $20 a pound?
http://www.motors.ebay.com
Put in "r12" where there is a text box titled "Search".

Have a nice day.

 

[bubba-dough]

And btw pal, that is the quote I got at our local ac shop for the r12 they said it is getting nearly impossible to get (that was this past April). QUOTE]
Uh, dOOd...

Get off your high horse, quit believing everything you are told and read and research for yourself. Scientific studies have now shown that the ozone depletion excuse is bunk.

You want to get the M609 cert?
http://www.epatest.com

You want to buy the real R12 at $20 a pound?
http://www.motors.ebay.com
Put in "r12" where there is a text box titled "Search".

Have a nice day.

http://www.epa.gov/ozone/title6/609/wantknow.html#q2
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Du-P...992604584QQcategoryZ46094QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/R12-...992614866QQcategoryZ46094QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
To prove the point of cost $153 and $135 for 12 cans. R134a is $5 a can at wamart and autozone.
I never said you coudn't get certified?? Or that you couldn't get its just that its getting harder and harder and by the price on ebay thats is pretty much noticable?? The first link is by the EPA which states the same thing I told you before....Why the crap am I wasting my time talking to you about this. Its obvious you know everything.