Do current so called "cold air intakes" really give any power?

J DeMolet · Oct 5, 2005

I DIDN'T claim my system posted 25 hp.

I haven't posted any gains to my website and will refrain from doing so until the upcoming tuning sessions are completed.

Mike Murillo is one of my outlets and a good customer also.

As I stated the shootout gains will come out next month and the 05' GT benefits from and realizes a nice power increase with a well insulated CAI.

Heat is the enemy of performance and the systems that post the best performance whether on a dyno or on the road are a well insulated plastic one.

It's simple physics: metal conducts heat , plastic insulates.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and choice.

I simply wanted to present the engineering aspects, materials, as a manufacturer that looks at all aspects of keeping the airflow COOL.

I apologize if this is offensive but with the plethora of CAIs on the market you'd be remiss to your family and employees to not let your market know about your product.

I've always benefitted from my customer feedback on the forums to help evolve my systems. You have to present a product and it's particular attributes, get them in service, and see what the reponse, suggestions are regarding it.

The ONLY performance gains I post to my site are the ACTUAL ones realized through INDEPENDANT testing.

I'll post the gains from SCT / Blowby Racing when they are dynoed.

cleveland · Oct 5, 2005

1fastz said:
ONCE the vehicle has reached NORMAL operating temperature there will be almost NO difference

if you allow the vehicle to COOL and sit then YES these vehicles gain a decent amount from a cool down period

HOWEVER when being driven there would be less then a 5 horse dif between the car having sat and idled for 15 minits vs the car just having reached operating temperature

AND i have NEVER had a sizable loss because only people who want to ARTIFICIALY INFLAT THE NUMBERS FOR THIER PRODUCT do not bring the car to full operating temperature before doing a pull.

the ONLY reason not to is to 1 make your product look good and say look how much more power we made
or
2 just to see how much benifit a long cool down between rounds would have for a pure drag car.

dyno pulls should all be made at operational temperature with a fully warmed up engine to duplicate what the engine will actualy see on the road.

and in order for that heat shield to make any significant kind of diference to the air being pulled in to the motor you would have to sit still for a VERY VERY VERY long time

dyno cells DO NOT put fans on the motor to cool the engine for more power they do it becuase there is NO airflow across the radiator when stationary and the engine needs that airflow for proper cooling when the engine is seeing full throttle loads and NO air flow across it it WILL over heat without any kind of fan your radiator fan is NOT enough.

the diference in intake temperature with a fully insulated intake pipe vs a non insulated pipe is ONLY a couple degrees.

I personaly tested this on my race car with a turbo.. the non insulated steel pipe wich runs RIGH OVER one of the turbo headers wich are far far far far hoter then any normal engine compartment header is .. vs wraping it with 1/2 inch of heat reflecting insulation resulted in less then 3 degree change in actual intake air temps.
and this was on aproximately 2 and a half feet of tubeing.

on a 05 up mustang when given the short 8-10 inche distance the air travels through that tube and the velocity it is traveling at you would exspect even a far less increase/decrease in air temps.

anyone who claims 25 horse just for the cold air is ALSO A LIAR and trying to sell parts

a good half of that comes from the custom tune ..
the reason these cars gain so much from the cold air kits is the factory tune is far off and very rich

real world people who are not trying to sell a PART,

like myself and murillo motor sports who realy care about the customer wil tell the customer the truth.

the cold air is only worth around 12 horsepower out of the 25 or so they all claim the rest comes from the TUNE that is REQUIRED to be done with the cold air.

if you have done JUST a tune on your STOCK box with a k and n filter you will only gain 10-14 horsepower by adding a cold air and retuning..

im not trying to sell parts im trying to educate the customer and give them real world knowledge and facts isntead of advertisement hype.

You can provide more blah blah to the public while others have actually experienced the "claims". You did this and you did that but you havent done much or any testing on an 05 to call it like it is.

-Dan

cleveland · Oct 5, 2005

J DeMolet said:
I'll post the gains from SCT / Blowby Racing when they are dynoed.

BBR isnt a good place to dyno anything anymore, they are currently losing any good reputation that they had thanks to Corral.net.

Of course this might change if they can bring their car to another unbiased dyno.

Just a heads up.

-Dan

J DeMolet · Oct 6, 2005

Dan, thank you for the heads up.

1fastz · Oct 6, 2005

cleveland said:
You can provide more blah blah to the public while others have actually experienced the "claims". You did this and you did that but you havent done much or any testing on an 05 to call it like it is.

-Dan

lmao IM a PARTNER and a tech at murillo motor sports..
One of the most respected ford tuner shops in the country.

and i OWN a 06 and have made more then 100 dyno pulls on it already trying various things so dont even try to claim jack to me..

its not blah blah, its hard fact, proven on my chassis dyno.

i am 100 percent sure i have more pulls on my 06 then you do on your 05 already.

of course if you like Ill personaly make pulls today to prove what i just said ill make a pull with the car JUST having reached operating temperature then ill let it sit there and idle for 10 minits and make another pull ..

ill bet money right now the car wont lose more then 5 rwhp ..

the people saying they are loseing all this power are the ones who are makeing dyno pulls on a COLD engine then loseing power as the engine reches operating temperature.

this is NOT the rigth way to do things you should always reach operating temperature so you are tuneing for real world conditions..
the only time you shouldnt is a dedicated drag car wich will have a cool down between rounds and be pushed to the line every time.

or if you have a switch chip wich can be fliped then you can tune for a cold engine and just use that tune when the vehicle is at the track.

anyone who tunes with a cool down period is doing nothing but trying to get a "number" for advertiseing .

J DeMolet · Oct 7, 2005

Tell Mike I've got these ready for the outlets if you want to test / evaluate it?

Call the toll free shop # 866-509-7453 when it's convienient for you. I've only contacted a couple so far.

The V6 system is being dynoed this Saturday. The independant tester is going to post the numbers stock, stock w/ Xcal tune / tune w/ CAI.

I'd appreciate your evaluation with your tuning/track experience.

With so many CAI choices see what you think of the 'value' differences with the quality of the materials / meter flexability / warranty / and system weight (only 5 lbs. including shield).

1fastz · Oct 7, 2005

i would be happy to do a comparison for you with the C and L if you like as thats what currently on my/the shop 06

and im not biased if your unit proves suprior ill be the first to say so and post so .. we are a dealer for you after all

J DeMolet · Oct 7, 2005

I know you're not and like the other systems I've sent you guys, THE PROOFS IN THE PUDDING!!

See what the weight comparison is also with the C&L.

Just when I've gone with pulley upgrades I'll go alluminum over steel.

Do you want a 'Ford Blue' or 'Lazer Red' filter?

Thanks and have a great weekend!

1fastz · Oct 7, 2005

Either one black car so i think the red one wouldnt look to bad.

joe97gt · Oct 14, 2005

"The proof of the pudding is in the taste."

Saying the PROOF IS IN THE PUDDING is just ignorant.

GOLDENPONY · Oct 15, 2005

Cai

Look into K&N Aircharger kit. They claim 15 HP without a tune, money back if not. Nobody else offers this guarantee. This is on our '05/'06's. I have one on order from Summit, $245.

J DeMolet · Oct 18, 2005

1 Fastz, any dyno testing results yet?

1fastz · Oct 18, 2005

i had it on the dyno last night but ran out of time .. ill be done this evening.

I can say that the tune for the c&l was totaly diferent then for yours.. the mass air transfer function is diferent so im getting it worked out so that the air fuel is nice and smooth then ill have numbers tomorrow

J DeMolet · Oct 18, 2005

Thank you for your time and expertise with the testing.

SCT is hopefully completing their testing / tuning this week and these sessions will give me some good independant numbers.

spdbrake · Oct 22, 2005

Yes get it done........

I've been waiting a little over a month now for someone to get an 05 manual trans tune released.

My filter in the "boxed" Demolet kit will be full of moth holes soon.

Thanks

RedZR · Oct 23, 2005

GOLDENPONY said:
Look into K&N Aircharger kit. They claim 15 HP without a tune, money back if not. Nobody else offers this guarantee. This is on our '05/'06's. I have one on order from Summit, $245.

I though you HAD to do a tune after installing one of these or the a/f ratios would be screwed up pretty badly? I do not want to reflash the car because of warranty reason...but would like more power.

J DeMolet · Oct 23, 2005

I signed up for the complete Mustang data base and have already ordered tuners for the V6s' as well as the GT's.

Even my outlets have been trying to get SCT to 'GET ER DONE'.

They assured me everything would be completed by the time the shootout article publishes, Nov. 15 th, but I'm doing my best to get the tuners prior to this.

Thank you for your patience.

J DeMolet · Oct 23, 2005

REDZR; You DO HAVE to have a tune done with a system that's going to add an appreciable amount of airflow.

I went with the 95mm meter / tuner to be able to 'tune as you mod' rather than have a system that 'MAY NOT' need a tune staying close to the factory 80mm airbox / inlet tube diameter, but not give the same end results as you do exhaust, etc..
Jannety Racing is testing / fitting the system with the Saleen SC also which would still enable a 95mm meter rather than the 90 and not have do anything to the system as compared to adapting the 90 meter.
I'll relate the SC results when I receive them.

spdbrake · Oct 23, 2005

I'm not pi$$ed at you John.

I just want a tune.

I've tried them all (brands of CAI tunes)

Steeda 80mm, 90mm, JMS, JLT, they all give the CEL light mostly right after startup.

Of course they are smaller than the 95mm Demolet.

Did you see Airaid's new CAI w/the stock O.D. venturi in the throat?
Trick fks the system....still runs lean but the MAF doesn't know it.
Not good for the motor I'm sure, which in turn makes me not trust their marketing/products/support/brand name.....
http://airaid.com/450-172_ford.asp

Are we there yet?

millerc73 · Oct 23, 2005

RedZR said:
I though you HAD to do a tune after installing one of these or the a/f ratios would be screwed up pretty badly? I do not want to reflash the car because of warranty reason...but would like more power.

I'm in the same boat! I'm in no position to void my warranty by flashing the computer. If I were to get a C&L system and a programmer would I be able to set the car back up to the stock settings so that the dealer wouldn't know what I was up to?

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