e.t's and verts

[cronin49]

First let me state that I am the owner of a vert. Now can someone tell me where all these people who own verts are running their sub 14.00 times? The last time I checked it was illegal to run a vert at 13.99 or better without a rollbar installed. The 4 tracks that I have been to , including Englishtown, will kick you off the track if you run a sub 14 sec. time. I doubt that all these guys are ruining their beautiful verts by installing an ugly 6 point roll bar THAT IS REQUIRED! I know I wouldn't. I think most of these guys are full of

 

[billyfe390]

Pm jackie chan

 

[nj01droptop]

I DONT' KNOW IF THERE FULL OF CRAP. MAYBE THEY SAY f**K IT AND GO FOR 1 GREAT RUN BEFORE GETTING KICKED OUT. I RUN AT ENGLISHTOWN AND THERE ARE A FEW VERTS WITH ROLL BARS BUT NOT MANY. I HAVEN'T TO MANY NEWER VERTS GOING FASTER THAN 14.00 UNLESS IT IS A COBRA. THERE ARE A FEW FOX BODY VERTS THOUGH WIHT ROLL BARS. WONDER SINCE THE NHRA CHAGED THERE RULES FO VERTS IT THEY WILL BE BALL BUSTERS. MY BEST E.T IS 14.01 WITH BOLTS ONS AND THEY DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING TO ME. BUT MY CAR IS TILL LIKE NEW SO I REFUSE TO PUT ONE IN. SO SUB 14'S ARE OUT OF THE QUESTION FOR NOW.

 

[twogts4us]

Read the rules a little more carefully (especially before you start waving the BS flag at people you really don't know.)
The new “Pure Stock” street legal rules and regulations can be integrated into existing street legal categories by member tracks or run as a separate class. The new rules, however, will apply to stock OEM-type production vehicles only. Once any power adder or performance hardware is added, it then must follow the existing Summit ET safety requirements. Otherwise, any pure stock street legal car running 11.50 or slower (example- stock Dodge Viper) would be governed by the proposed new Pure-Stock Street Legal rules, providing the vehicle remains completely OEM stock. As an example, under existing Summit E.T. rules, a convertible running 13.99 and quicker must run a drive shaft loop and roll bar. Under the new rules, a pure-stock street legal car would not require this equipment unless it ran 11.49 and quicker.

 

[twogts4us]

And before you jump in and say something about Jackie Chan or these other cats not being OEM stock, here is NHRA's defination of OEM Pure-Stock Street Legal:
Pure Stock Street Legal Supplemental Rules
Vehicles must meet all state-highway safety requirements for the state in which the vehicle is registered and must remain as produced by the OEM manufacturer to be deemed an accepted street-legal vehicle. All vehicles must be street driven, display valid license plates (or temporary permits), and have proof of vehicle registration and valid insurance.
REQUIREMENTS & SPECIFICATIONS

ENGINE
Engine/Transmission
OEM production engine and transmission case and components must be as produced by OEM manufacturer for the particular vehicle application. All other engines and transmissions prohibited.

Exhaust System
All vehicles must be equipped with mufflers and a functional exhaust system that extends at least behind the drivers' seat. Competition exhaust permitted. Exhaust must be directed out of car to rear, away from driver and fuel tank.

Fuel
Racing gasoline, gasoline, gasohol, diesel, ethanol, natural gas, and propane permitted. Nitromethane prohibited.

Fuel System/Battery
All batteries, fuel tanks, fuel lines, fuel pumps, or filler necks must retain stock OEM location as produced by the OEM manufacturer.

Liquid Overflow
Catch-can mandatory for coolant overflow; one-pint (16-ounce) minimum capacity.

Nitrous Oxide
Prohibited. The use of nitrous oxide will deem the vehicle non-street-legal and car will be classified under E.T. Handicap Racing rules.

Supercharger, Turbocharger
Original OEM supercharger or turbocharger permitted. Any non-OEM, high helix, or screw-type supercharger prohibited.

BRAKES & SUSPENSION
Brakes
Four-wheel OEM-style brake system mandatory.

Steering
Each car in competition must have sufficient positive front-end alignment to ensure proper handling of car at all speeds.

Suspension
All cars must have a full suspension system of the type produced by an automobile manufacturer (i.e. springs, torsion bars, etc.). Lightening of stock components prohibited. Rigid mounted suspensions prohibited.

TIRES & WHEELS
Tires
Street tires or DOT drag radials permitted. Racing slicks prohibited.

Wheels
Must be automotive-type wheels suitable for street use.

BODY
Body
Must have full top and windshield as produced by OEM manufacturer. All full-bodied cars must have two driver exits. Both doors must be functional from inside and outside on all full-bodied cars. Four stock-production fenders mandatory, body kits permitted.

Firewall
Mandatory, as produced by OEM manufacturer. Firewall may not be altered in any manner.

Hood
Mandatory.

Seats
Properly braced, framed, and supported OEM-style seats mandatory.

Windshield, Windows
Mandatory, as produced by OEM manufacturer only. Must be in good condition and free of cracks. Windshield/window tint must meet the applicable state requirements. Windows must be closed during races; need not be operable. Decals permitted on rear quarter and rear window only. Competition-number decals are permitted on any window or windshield.

ELECTRICAL
Batteries
Batteries must be securely mounted in stock OEM location only.

Ignition
OEM-designed ignition system permitted.

Headlights, Taillights
All lights must be operational.

SUPPORT GROUP
Computer
Computers installed on stock vehicles by the new-vehicle manufacturers for the proper operation of such vehicles are permitted. OEM electronic fuel injection permitted.

Electronics
The use of racing electronics (i.e. delay box, throttle stop, etc.) strictly prohibited.

Fire-extinguisher system
Permitted; must be securely mounted.

DRIVER
Credentials
Driver must have a valid unrestricted state- or government-issued driver's license, with no underage driving restrictions (i.e. supervised, provisional, etc.).

Driver Restraint System
Seat belt mandatory in all cars as produced by OEM manufacturer. Aftermarket driver-restraint systems with higher rating than OEM permitted.

Helmet Drivers in all 13.99 (8.59 eighth-mile) or quicker cars must wear a helmet meeting Snell 90, 95, K98, 2000 or SFI 31.1A, 31.2A, 41.1A, or 41.2A Specs.

Protective Clothing
All drivers are required to wear full-length pants, shoes, and socks. Nylon or nylon-type clothing and open-toe shoes prohibited. Shorts, bare legs, tank tops, or bare torsos prohibited.

 

[Grady96GT]

At the tracks I have been to they claimed that sub 14.00 sec cars' drivers had to wear a helmet. I was trying to get them to tell me my car was too fast for me to be driving w/out a helmet. They never said anything, well, I only got a single run under 14's though.

 

[cronin49]

I am not jumping on anyone in particular, all I am saying is that all the tracks that I have run at are NHRA sactioned, and that was / is the rule. Their web sites still say this. I have not seen or heard about any new rules being implemented. Can someone direct me to where I can read these new rules? And I don't mean someone typing them in from who knows where. I do agree that this rule is outdated, verts are a lot safer then they were years ago. I do know that the rule was / is rollbars for verts lower then 13.99, hardtops 10.99.

 

[twogts4us]

I am not jumping on anyone in particular, all I am saying is that all the tracks that I have run at are NHRA sactioned, and that was / is the rule. Their web sites still say this. I have not seen or heard about any new rules being implemented. Can someone direct me to where I can read these new rules? And I don't mean someone typing them in from who knows where. I do agree that this rule is outdated, verts are a lot safer then they were years ago. I do know that the rule was / is rollbars for verts lower then 13.99, hardtops 10.99.

Here's the link to the NHRA website rules changes for the Pure Stock, Street Legal class--->http://www.nhra.com/2004/news/june/062202.html
No, you didn't jump on anyone in particular, but by saying you "think most of these guys (who run sub 14.00 times) are full of " you offended the guys out here that can and do turn sub 14s in their verts. There are several out here that run sub 14 verts - heck, Jackie Chan has just a few of the normal bolt ons, turns 1.9 60' times and has a best time of 13.467 at 102.84 with stock suspension and street tires. John is the man!