Ford Racing Z2363 Crate Engine Build

revhead347 · Dec 21, 2021

Habu135 said:
Really? I'm surprised at this. I would have thought you all would have suggested an aftermarket distributor (new electronics being the key here).

I know guys running high 7 second quarter mile times on factory distributors. The factory design is the best. Getting a quality one that isn't poorly rebuilt is the challenge.

Kurt

Bullitt347 · Dec 21, 2021

revhead347 said:
That's not exactly how the math works.

Kurt

Math is math. At what point is any of what I posted wrong? You can argue if 1-3/4 primaries are big enough or not, but nothing else I posted is wrong.

revhead347 · Dec 21, 2021

Bullitt347 said:
Math is math. At what point is any of what I posted wrong? You can argue if 1-3/4 primaries are not big enough, but nothing else I posted is wrong.

I actually argued that the 1 3/4 were big enough. The exhaust comes out the side of the valve, not the bottom. So if you are looking for the cross sectional area of the header primary, it would be A=pieR. That one is simple. For the valve exit area, it would be circumference times lift. Or valve diamteter x pie x lift. So the cross sectional area of a 1 7/8" primary would be 2.95 sq". The outflow area of a 1.6" valve at .600" lift would be 3.02 sq" of area. An inconsequential difference totally overshadowed by the fact that the header primary is a free flowing unit, and the valve is only at .600" lift for a fraction of a second.

Kurt

Bullitt347 · Dec 21, 2021

Except for the whole valve stem in the way part. The seat area is still smaller than 1.6" so the 1.6 x pie x lift is still not correct.
I get your point, but your numbers do not add up in reality.

revhead347 · Dec 21, 2021

Bullitt347 said:
Except for the whole valve stem in the way part. The seat area is still smaller than 1.6" so the 1.6 x pie x lift is still not correct.
I get your point, but your numbers do not add up in reality.

facepalm. Save it for another day.

Kurt

Habu135 · Dec 21, 2021

revhead347 said:
The Trick Flow ones are nearly half the price, are lower profile, guaranteed to clear without grinding, and you can kind of put this half ass oil fill neck in it. Those you have to have an oil fill neck welded on.

Kurt

I have a set of them and I'm not a huge fan. I'll likely go with the Ford Racibg ones that Mustang5L5 showed. Those will match my black car perfectly and are very classy.

Habu135 · Dec 21, 2021

revhead347 said:
facepalm. Save it for another day.

Kurt

I'll likely be purchasing BBK's 1 3/4" as only Kooks, from what I can find, makes the 1 7/8" and they are $1300.

Habu135 · Dec 21, 2021

revhead347 said:
I know guys running high 7 second quarter mile times on factory distributors. The factory design is the best. Getting a quality one that isn't poorly rebuilt is the challenge.

Kurt

Awesome. Good info. I've priced a new Motorcraft TFI modules through Rock Auto and will pick one up to be safe, but otherwise I'll run the Ford factory distributor.

Habu135 · Dec 21, 2021

I really appreciate the back and forth from you all. I'm learning a lot about this build process and the car from this.

Dan02gt · Dec 21, 2021

I just read through this thread and a couple of things that might be helpful. I run the Ford Racing valve covers with the low profile Scorpion RR. I think they are the Endurance series. I didn’t need to modify the the valve covers for them to fit.
I run a Cobra intake with no spacer. All I did was slotted the throttle cable bracket a little bit so it would clear the valve covers.
For injectors I run the 80 lb Dekas like 96pushrod recommended. My car is a 302 based H/C/I setup with a Quarterhorse for tuning. The tuner recommended them because they are very precise with their slopes making them easy to tune. My car idles and runs like a stocker.

96pushrod · Dec 22, 2021

Bullitt347 said:
A 1.6" dia exhaust valve is less than 1-5/8" and that is not the smallest part of the exhaust. 1.6" is the outside dia of the valve, not the seat area, plus the port gets choked further right at the valve stem/guide area.
1-3/4" long tubes are more than enough for this engine the way it is going to be used.

Fwiw that’s od measurement, you actually lose 1/8in dia to wall thickness. Sometimes even more depending on how the primaries are pinched at the flange.

Boostedpimp · Dec 22, 2021

Habu135 said:
I have a set of them and I'm not a huge fan. I'll likely go with the Ford Racibg ones that Mustang5L5 showed. Those will match my black car perfectly and are very classy.

I've had the black ones before on a prior car and they looked pretty classy. The grey ones I agree look blah

I've also had the ford motorsport ones in the past and had them polished. They looked great but were a real pita to keep clean looking with the fins

Habu135 · Dec 22, 2021

Here's my updated list. Feel free to pick it apart, but I think this is a 95% solution.

Engine

Ford Racing Z2363 engine (rear sump): $10,499.99

Trick Flow R-Series intake w/90mm opening (silver): $729.99

Trick Flow 3/8 intake spacer: $72.99 (TFS-51520009)

Accufab 90mm throttle body: $289.99

Accufab 2” wide 90mm throttle body spacer: $94.99

Ford Racing valve covers: $189.99 (#M6000J302R)

44 pound fuel injectors: $524.99

BBK long tube headers: $569.99 (#BBK-15940) and X-pipe: $499.99 (#BBK-1659)

Anderson Power Pipe: $276.59 (#AF-0112A-90)

Anderson filter and coupler for ’03-’04 Cobra MAF: $72.95 (#KITLMF)

JMS MAF extension harness ~~and Pro-M 4 to 6 pin adapter~~: $49 (jms-8695-ext) ~~and $45 (PMR9304)~~ already have the adapter

Coolant temp sensor: $19.99 (#LRS-12648A)

Air Charge Temperature (ACT) sensor: $19.99 (#LRS-12697A)

Temperature gauge sending unit: $14.99 (#LRS-TS58)

Oil pressure sending unit: $30.99 LMR (#LRS-PS243)

Transmission

D&D Transmission Fox Body T-56 transmission kit w/2.97 first gear: $4,995.00

Ask them about my application and whether they suggest the 2.66 or 2.97 first gear trans

Will also need a new clutch. Get a single disc clutch.

I can utilize the existing 157 tooth steel flywheel

Shifter: MGW shifter for a T-56

Suggested additional items:

Relocated throttle bracket https://mc-machine.com/ols/products/50-throttle-cable-bracket

PA Performance mini-PMGR starter (#1806): $149.00

Mustang5L5 · Dec 22, 2021

FYI, a lot of the sensors and such that LMR sells is parts-store brand sensors that LMR marks up. You might be able to save 50% by just going to your local autozone or bulk-ordering it from Rockauto.

Of course, in the grand scheme of things, it will save you 0.001% of what you are spending

96pushrod · Dec 22, 2021

What do you intend on running for a rear gear and tire?

Boostedpimp · Dec 22, 2021

You need one of these too

Sequential shifter : Ford/Viper T56/Tr6060

A bolt on sequential gearbox conversion for ford t56 and tr6060 gearbox. This is the simplest most effective way to convert a standard gearbox to sequential shift. The design is strong and reliable allowing use in everything from high power endurance racing cars to daily driven street car.

s1sequential.com

Habu135 · Dec 22, 2021

Boostedpimp said:
You need one of these too

Sequential shifter : Ford/Viper T56/Tr6060

A bolt on sequential gearbox conversion for ford t56 and tr6060 gearbox. This is the simplest most effective way to convert a standard gearbox to sequential shift. The design is strong and reliable allowing use in everything from high power endurance racing cars to daily driven street car.

s1sequential.com

I'm actually going to screw the T-5 knob to the top for the sake of originality. Dumb, but understated is what I'm going for.

Habu135 · Dec 22, 2021

96pushrod said:
What do you intend on running for a rear gear and tire?

3.73. Nitto 555R for now. I'll see how bad it is.

I would like some input on the 2.66 versus 2.97 T-56. The transmissions differ throughout the first three gears.

Habu135 · Dec 22, 2021

Mustang5L5 said:
FYI, a lot of the sensors and such that LMR sells is parts-store brand sensors that LMR marks up. You might be able to save 50% by just going to your local autozone or bulk-ordering it from Rockauto.

Of course, in the grand scheme of things, it will save you 0.001% of what you are spending

Those are all retail prices. BBK already told me they would give me a 10% mil discount. Rock Auto is a good resource. Thanks for that reminder.

revhead347 · Dec 22, 2021

Boostedpimp said:
You need one of these too

Sequential shifter : Ford/Viper T56/Tr6060

A bolt on sequential gearbox conversion for ford t56 and tr6060 gearbox. This is the simplest most effective way to convert a standard gearbox to sequential shift. The design is strong and reliable allowing use in everything from high power endurance racing cars to daily driven street car.

s1sequential.com

I need one of those. Thanks for sharing. Does it work well?

Kurt

Ford Racing Z2363 Crate Engine Build

revhead347

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Bullitt347

I have been doing it wrong this whole time

revhead347

Apparently my ex-husband made that mistake.

Bullitt347

I have been doing it wrong this whole time

revhead347

Apparently my ex-husband made that mistake.

Habu135

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