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Davedacarpainter

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Hi I happened upon this thread just now. Went through about 10 pages or so, what a great idea. I don't have time to get through the whole thing right now although I'm sure I will eventually.

Do you have any tips for dealing with the window trim seals? Specifically I'm painting the roof only on a 99 mustang gt coupe. I won't need any blending since I have the exact paint and the roof doesn't touch any other panels anyway. But the trim on the rear window and windshield is rubber and tight to the roof.

Last time I used a small wire to hold the trim up a little until the paint work was done. It worked okay but just wanted to see if you had any other tricks.

Some history, the first time I had the car sprayed they used some new on the market clear coat and it ended up peeling in sheets right off the paint (paint still intact and attached to the car like the clear didn't stick to it) only a couple years later. I heard that thats what happened with the particular clear in the next few years but I think the cause is that they waited too long to spray the clear. Had to have the whole car completely sanded down and re-sprayed. This 2nd time around about 3 years in, the roof began cracking in a couple spots, pulling up. Not sure why it's really bizarre because the rest of the paint is perfect. I'm wondering if it's from sitting out in the sun too much as it is black and I park in the driveway mostly in summer when I drive it a lot. I don't believe there was any bondo at all on the roof. I know there was some bondo in a couple other spots and those areas are still pristine.

I've done a good amount of painting cars and bikes as a hobby, but this was my baby and I wanted to pay to have it right. Now I feel like I should have just done it myself to begin with and the old saying if you want it done right do it yourself comes to mind. I just hate the cutting and buffing I have to do to get the results I want or I would paint a lot more.
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For lifting the edge of trim at work I use this stuff (assuming your trim is still relatively pliable). It works great.


If I can remember at work today, I’ll post a picture of me using the trim masking tape.

Do you remember which clear coat was sprayed on your car that peeled away?

Sometimes there are just bad batches from the factory (pretty rare problem though).

If the painter shooting waited outside of the adhesion limit (usually 24 hours per the manufacturer’s guidelines) it will peel like that. Personally I’ve never waited more than a couple hours to clear a paint job, it makes me nervous precisely because of what happened to you. I trust what the manufacturers say their paint will do to just a certain extent.

Sometimes it’s just cheap paint. Value lines are cheaper for a reason.

I recommended a cheaper priced clear a little while back here. It’s made by Utech. This is an Akzo Nobel subsidiary. It has a lifetime warranty. It lays out beautifully, though you have to move considerably slower while shooting it.

A black paint job is more likely to have issues due to a greater absorption of UV radiation. Though the damage will be a much more subtle peeling issue. It’ll begin delaminating (peeling) earlier than a brighter paint color. You’ll notice the early stages of this when it seems like it’s getting a cloudy/milky look to it.

Post a picture or two of your current problem for me to look at.
 

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Here’s the trim masking tape “in action”.

Peel off the backing

Slip the rigid edge between the seal and the panel

Pull gently away from the painted panel and stick the adhesive end down

Done for this job
 
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Yep, that tape works great for us too here at the shop
 

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Just read through 44 pages of solid info in the past 2 days. Thanks for being a huge help Dave. I'll be adding to my list of supplies to buy in restoring this '81 ttop notch.

 
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Run outta ratchet straps?
 
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Run outta ratchet straps?
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that was mid- tying the car down to the trailer.
 

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Glad that guy didn't have to hold onto the car going down the road, seen that once, didn't end well, it was kinda funny to watch though.
 
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What's the best way to fill holes in a urethane bumper cover?

I bought this wall-mounted bumper recently and there's holes in it to zip tie it to a metal grill

I saw your post in the cliffnotes thread using this: https://www.stangnet.com/mustang-fo...liff-notes-edition.900362/page-5#post-9076744




 
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Hi Dave,

I am getting ready to paint the trim on my car. Bodywork and paint was done by a shop, but I have to restore the quarter window molding and paint the following: front and rear windshield trim, plastic side molding trims (they did the urethane pieces), cowl cover, roof rails, and door handles. I think I have a decent idea based on some research on how to do the quarter windows (120 grit, high build primer, and trim paint), but don't really know how to prep the plastic pieces. I could swear that I saw posts from you about prepping these pieces but I can't find them in this thread. The plastic pieces had a yellow color to them in the pictures I saw. Can you help me with if you had a separate build thread or if you can shed some light on how to best prep these areas? I bought the SEM trim paint as I am doing all these pieces in black.

Thanks!
 

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Ironically I just painted a set of those yesterday.
I’ll reply in depth when I get off work.
 

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Davedacarpainter said:
Ironically I just painted a set of those yesterday.
I’ll reply in depth when I get off work.
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Awesome. Thanks so much! I forgot I also have the side mirrors too.
 

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What's the best way to fill holes in a urethane bumper cover?

I bought this wall-mounted bumper recently and there's holes in it to zip tie it to a metal grill

I saw your post in the cliffnotes thread using this: https://www.stangnet.com/mustang-fo...liff-notes-edition.900362/page-5#post-9076744




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Man, i’m sorry I missed your post. If you go back one page on the link you have in your reply you’ll find where i patched the whole in the rear bumper. I would do the same thing for those holes in your bumper.

Build Thread - '83 T-top Coupe - Cliff Notes Edition

Got it all sanded, i'll have to put the mud on it tomorrow. They shut the lights off on me tonight. It won't take much filler, yay!
www.stangnet.com
 
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5.0 Nostalgia said:
Hi Dave,

I am getting ready to paint the trim on my car. Bodywork and paint was done by a shop, but I have to restore the quarter window molding and paint the following: front and rear windshield trim, plastic side molding trims (they did the urethane pieces), cowl cover, roof rails, and door handles. I think I have a decent idea based on some research on how to do the quarter windows (120 grit, high build primer, and trim paint), but don't really know how to prep the plastic pieces. I could swear that I saw posts from you about prepping these pieces but I can't find them in this thread. The plastic pieces had a yellow color to them in the pictures I saw. Can you help me with if you had a separate build thread or if you can shed some light on how to best prep these areas? I bought the SEM trim paint as I am doing all these pieces in black.

Thanks!
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So, here’s my cliff notes thread. Look through there and you’ll see exactly what I did.

Build Thread - '83 T-top Coupe - Cliff Notes Edition

Got it all sanded, i'll have to put the mud on it tomorrow. They shut the lights off on me tonight. It won't take much filler, yay!
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I would strip the mirrors down to the plastic. You’ll be surprised on how many coats those will have on them, even from the factory.

I have a completely different way I would repair quarter glass trim than what I’ve seen other guys do. If you guys are interested enough I could go to the salvage yard and buy an old weathered set and show you exactly what I would do.

Then maybe i could give the repaired set away to one of you guys.

Let me know what you think.
 
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Showing your process for quarter window trim would make a great sticky !
Even if you just type it out but pics would be even better.
 

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Davedacarpainter said:
So, here’s my cliff notes thread. Look through there and you’ll see exactly what I did.

Build Thread - '83 T-top Coupe - Cliff Notes Edition

Got it all sanded, i'll have to put the mud on it tomorrow. They shut the lights off on me tonight. It won't take much filler, yay!
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I would strip the mirrors down to the plastic. You’ll be surprised on how many coats those will have on them, even from the factory.

I have a completely different way I would repair quarter glass trim than what I’ve seen other guys do. If you guys are interested enough I could go to the salvage yard and buy an old weathered set and show you exactly what I would do.

Then maybe i could give the repaired set away to one of you guys.

Let me know what you think.
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I would definitely be interested in seeing your method for the quarter windows. If you did a set for a coupe, I would be interested in buying them.
 
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I would definitely be interested in seeing your method for the quarter windows. If you did a set for a coupe, I would be interested in buying them.
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I’ll get ahold of the yard owner and see what he’s got.
 

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I contacted Danny (the yard owner). He says he thinks he has a set of coupe windows, and if I remember right, I saw them.

It may be later in the week before I know and can get them.
 

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Davedacarpainter said:
Man, i’m sorry I missed your post. If you go back one page on the link you have in your reply you’ll find where i patched the whole in the rear bumper. I would do the same thing for those holes in your bumper.

Build Thread - '83 T-top Coupe - Cliff Notes Edition

Got it all sanded, i'll have to put the mud on it tomorrow. They shut the lights off on me tonight. It won't take much filler, yay!
www.stangnet.com
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Thanks, Dave. I have a cut/rip in the rear bumper of my '95 that will likely need to be repaired the same way.
 

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Time for a new paint gun! This is a Sata minijet 4400. It’s the latest and greatest for smaller guns.

I bought the green minijet in ‘96 and have used it consistently over the years. It works well still, but the new minijet works so much better. Technology seems to improve everything.

For those that care, it has a 1.0 tip.
 
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