Sir Hacksalot said:I think the answer lies in the fact that the Camaro was so anemic for so long. Face it, from 1986-1993 the 5.0 OWNED the Camaro, and they could be had with 50 more cubic inches. The only Z28 that I knew of that could give a 5.0 a run for it's money back in the day was a low option, no AC, no Radio 1LE option, and then, it did not beat it by much. In 1993, with the 275HP LT1, things got better, but the SVT Cobra simply walked all over them, and again, stole the spotlight from the bowtie boys.
Hax
5spd GT said:What about the 350 camaros...they ran right with the 5.0's...
The lt1 would walk a 94-95 Cobra...
Actually an ls1 has 44 cubes more
cleanLX said:i think the reason ricers compare performance to 5.0's is that 5.0's are generally owned by a younger crowd.
They are cheaper to buy, which works good for the tight after school job budgeted younger crowd.
Since most ricers tend to be younger as well... you now have kids from the same schools running rice and affordable 5.0's.
They hang out and cross paths frequently.
Thus, they have run in's with 5.0's, and use them as thier performance baseline.
LSI's are not cheap, and are generally owned by an older crowd of graduates or proffessionals, or mid life crissis types.
These people have matured, and likely don't want to risk an 'exibition of speed' ticket to wax a 4cylinder ricer.
So, A. they don't hang out where LS1's are plentiful, and when they do run across one, it's usually an older person that is on thier way home from work and and has the days events on thier mind, rather than the bumble bee ricemobile sitting next to them...
The contests of speed don't happen, so, nothing to baseline against...
Just my guess.
mob said:nvm then it was introduced in 68 but in 67 the a codes really had them they just didnt change the names to 302 they still called it a 289 but it was faster, and it was relly a 302
willys1 said:302 did come out in the late 60's,but they were never real fast.I think there claim to fame was the "302 Boss" Mustang.But they werent no ball of fire.A 87--93 5.0 could smoke it in the 1/4 mile!!!!!
SPEED FREAK said:OH DEAR GOD! You did not just say a late model 302 had anything on the boss did you?!?!?!?!? tell me you are joking! With forged everything 4 bolt mains WAY beefier block I believe it had 2.27 intake valves and 1.75 exhaust or something similiar, somebody correct me. Either way you could stick your whole head in the intake port and stick your buddies head in the exhaust port. Couple that with factory solid lifters and 9000 rpm and i think any 302 produced since seems kind of a joke in comparison.
The reason a newer 302 car could even run anywhere near the numbers the old boss car could is because of the technology gap. Think late 60's suspension and tires.... Less than ideal for any application. I believe they ran in the 12's with decent rubber. Which is not bad for a stock 40 year old car. Which I believe nearly doubled the 87 - 93 power numbers once you skipped the rev limiter.
cmozez said:Mob- oh young and overzellous one. 5.0 is a 302 engine and that engine was with us way before the 80's.
Sir Hacksalot said:The 350 Cammies would indeed run with a 5.0...but geez, throw on some slicks, bump the timing, yank the sway bar, throw on a shortbelt, remove the jack and spare, and you've got a solid 13 second mustang...throw in some gears, and the right conditions, and you might see a 12.99I don't remember seeing many TPI Cammies doing this. Getting a 1987-1993 5.0 deep into the 13's, and possibly cracking the 12 second barrier isn't all that difficult or expensive...doing it with a TPI car is an entirely different matter.
As for the LT1 walking a 94-95 Cobra...I don't doubt that...the SN95 is a pig, and has a F***ed up computer. Sure, they are a better ride quality, better brakes, etc...but I will take my little coupe over one of those eggshaped things any day. FYI...not long ago, I destroyed an LT1 Camaro in a street race...maybe he didn't know what he was doing...but he got killed all the same.
Also, yeah, I know the LS1 is technically a 346 or 347 CID engine...which I find just a bit ironic.
Hax
LOL,,,yes your rite,it had very big intakes,,or exhaust!! But a stock "Boss 302" was a 15 second car!!! Im sorry if your a Mustang fan,but its the truth.To say it could hit the 12 second with a pair of slicks is ridiculous!!! Im talking 1970.Im not sure of the HP rating,but it wasnt that high.The70 z28 was rated at 360HP,and was in the 14's.Although that same motor in the Nova would pull mid 13's.The Boss 302 was more of a Trans-Am racer,they werent known as drag racers.SPEED FREAK said:OH DEAR GOD! You did not just say a late model 302 had anything on the boss did you?!?!?!?!? tell me you are joking! With forged everything 4 bolt mains WAY beefier block I believe it had 2.27 intake valves and 1.75 exhaust or something similiar, somebody correct me. Either way you could stick your whole head in the intake port and stick your buddies head in the exhaust port. Couple that with factory solid lifters and 9000 rpm and i think any 302 produced since seems kind of a joke in comparison.
The reason a newer 302 car could even run anywhere near the numbers the old boss car could is because of the technology gap. Think late 60's suspension and tires.... Less than ideal for any application. I believe they ran in the 12's with decent rubber. Which is not bad for a stock 40 year old car. Which I believe nearly doubled the 87 - 93 power numbers once you skipped the rev limiter.
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