help me decide... tweecer R/T, PMS, or DFI?

1105 · Sep 18, 2004

I did a search on another forum and it seems like the Tweecer is hard to tune and it cant log boost, while the PMS is easier, but it cant do a lot of things the tweecer can but it can log boost, and I havent read much about Accel's DFI system.

I know a lot of people on here are running the tweecer so I know its tried and true, and a few people just got the PMS, but I havent seen anyone running the DFI. Tweecer people, what do you like about it, what you hate about it, what you can do? PMS people, same for you. And if theres anyone running the DFI setup, please inform me of what you like about it, what it can do, what you hate about it, etc.

Heres some info I got about the Tweecer and PMS

PMS allows you to set timing and fuel curves vs. boost. There are no boost functions on tweecer because you work with existing tables and mustangs didnt come w/boost. This feature would be nice, but I've tuned my car fine w/out it.

I've run The Crane Interceptor II (now known as the PMS), DFI (gen 6), TwEECer, TwEECer RT, and TEC^3. For the money and the capabilities the base TwEECer blows away the PMS, and the RT doesn't even compare. The PMS is overpriced old technology

Tweecer RT allows you to change all the comp parameters, such as turn off EGR, smog pump, change idle, injectors size, MAF transfer, fans. I'm pretty sure you can't do alot of this stuff with PMS.

I'm leaning more towards the PMS because you tune it using the little pad that comes with it, but then again, there are very few people that I know running it so I'm leaning more towards the Tweecer R/T.... this is a pain in the ass deciding on which one I should get.

GTPhreak · Sep 18, 2004

Why don't you list what you want to accomplish with said tuning device? You just say you want one, but don't say what it will be tuning.

1105 · Sep 18, 2004

Everything I dont know and thats why I'm trying to find out which one will be the best. I'd like to be able to change just about anything that I'd want to with it.

VibrantRedGT · Sep 18, 2004

With the Tweecer I hated driving around with a laptop. Although it's great for data logging. Go to andersonfordmotorsport.com for some good info on the PMS. Data logging option for the PMS is suppose to come out anyday now.

Have you been to Troy's site. www.stangtuning.com

1105 · Sep 19, 2004

I think I'm going to go with the Tweecer. Most of the people on turbomustangs.com said the PMS is harder to tune with, old technology, and over priced. I dont care if i have to drive around with a laptop in the car to tune it with... It wont be there forever.

Zero Signal · Sep 19, 2004

As long as you're patient, you'll love the Tweecer. I read up on the stuff for about a year and played with the program long before buying one. I remember RC was making fun of me for that. But hey, at least I knew what I was doing when I got it!

Anyway, just do your research and you'll be fine.

The Tweecer CAN log boost. You run the MAP sensor to the computer via the EGR sensor wire (I think that's the one, something like that). People use it to log their WB 02's too.

My only gripe about it is that sometimes, while datalogging, it can get glitchy. I haven't figured out what the deal is, but sometimes it will get screwy on me and I have to re-write the program to the memory to fix it.

Joes95GT · Sep 19, 2004

The Tweecer isn't that difficult, you just have to be patient. Christ, I'm a retard and I figured out what I was doing. It couldn't be that hard for the next guy if I can do it.

Dave and Grady are really a help with the Tweecer, too. They've got their chit together.

Joe

Black70Fastback · Sep 19, 2004

Joes95GT said:
Christ, I'm a retard and I figured out what I was doing. It couldn't be that hard for the next guy if I can do it.

sorry, i couldnt help myself.
ive read other people downloading the program too before it was purchased. someone got a link?

1105 · Sep 19, 2004

Black70Fastback said:
sorry, i couldnt help myself.
ive read other people downloading the program too before it was purchased. someone got a link?

http://www.tweecer.com/downloads.htm

I downloaded it awhile ago, but I need to do it again and really look into it this time. I think T4MO is the file you need to download...

final5-0 · Sep 19, 2004

Well

I like the Tweecer but it is not perfect.

The newest version has data drop outs during datalogging and for that reason I use V1.20.

There are a few bugs like ect & act are somehow mapped together (I forget the details) but on the whole it is a tool that is effective and I think a pretty good value for the money spent cause you not only get an interface that allows you to manipulate the pcm's data values but you also can gather data from the various sensors on the car to see the big picture of what is going on.

There is a learning curve you will have to deal with but if the truth be told, the focus is not on how to use the tuning device but how your pcm works. When you START to see the light on the basic operation of the pcm it all kinda sorta falls in place as to why your car behaves the way it does.

If you don't know, the knowledge that has been gained about the Stang pcm's has been obtained by the hack method. That is why you have to dig out the knowledge for yourself.

A few things based on my findings.

Later
Grady

1105 · Sep 19, 2004

Thanks for the info Grady. My mind is pretty much set on the R/T now. If theres something I cant figure out for some reason, I know there is going to be someone out there that will be able to help me.

95YellowGTbeasT · Sep 19, 2004

I got Tweecer R/T about a couple of weeks ago and let me recommend you get EEC Analyzer too its 48 bucks extra but it really is worth it. And i have had nothing but good help from all of the tweecer folks.

Nick

final5-0 · Sep 19, 2004

95YellowGTbeasT said:
I got Tweecer R/T about a couple of weeks ago and let me recommend you get EEC Analyzer too its 48 bucks extra but it really is worth it. And i have had nothing but good help from all of the tweecer folks.

Nick

I want to agree with Nick on the EEC Analyzer

You can crunch the data from the datalogs by using Excell and such (we are talking manual method here) without using the EA program but it makes it soooo much eaiser than having to use calculators and the like.

You just load the datalog in EA and click the calculate button

Later
Grady

1105 · Sep 19, 2004

I'll be sure to check into that once I find my tweecer

94TURBO5 O · Sep 20, 2004

My PMS is a nice system and easy to program. I feel more power than I have ever felt in my car since installing it.

Black70Fastback · Sep 21, 2004

1105 said:
http://www.tweecer.com/downloads.htm

I downloaded it awhile ago, but I need to do it again and really look into it this time. I think T4MO is the file you need to download...

i downloaded it supposedly but it asks me what i want to open it with.

Black70Fastback · Sep 21, 2004

ok i think i know what i did. i have to download all the other crap at the top of the list first before choosing my binary set? right? i was too much of a hammer ass the first time but dont have time to do it now.

NIN · Sep 21, 2004

I'm going to need a tuner soon because my speed cal died and I don't want to send my chip in to jms and have it reburned every time I change anything on my car.

reddy351 · Jul 12, 2006

Hey guys. I was following this thread a little. Maybe you can help me with the exact same question. I like to drive the car, not tune on it, so plug and play simplicity is what I'm after. I like the idea of the PMS and will prolly not do too much with the car. (mild intake...ie Performer, headers/exhaust, etc) It IS an AODE, so I'll want to play with the trans, a little. (I HATE the slushy feeling of the factory shifts.) I'm sure I can get enough out of a "valve body" style shift kit. My problem is, I want to do the Ron Popeil method...."set it and forget it", not the "my girlfriend" method, or "play with it everytime I get a chance" So, which would be the best? It seems I know the answer by what I'm saying here. It's really not THAT clear, though. If I get a twEECer, I'll probably just download someone elses files and leave it alone. Is it worth that? TIA. Rob

final5-0 · Jul 13, 2006

reddy351 said:
Hey guys. I was following this thread a little. Maybe you can help me with the exact same question. I like to drive the car, not tune on it, so plug and play simplicity is what I'm after. I like the idea of the PMS and will prolly not do too much with the car. (mild intake...ie Performer, headers/exhaust, etc) It IS an AODE, so I'll want to play with the trans, a little. (I HATE the slushy feeling of the factory shifts.) I'm sure I can get enough out of a "valve body" style shift kit. My problem is, I want to do the Ron Popeil method...."set it and forget it", not the "my girlfriend" method, or "play with it everytime I get a chance" So, which would be the best? It seems I know the answer by what I'm saying here. It's really not THAT clear, though. If I get a twEECer, I'll probably just download someone elses files and leave it alone. Is it worth that? TIA. Rob

Trying to use someone's tune will most likely not work out all that great for you IMHO.

Their tune may be better than what you originally had but ... what is the point in a tune that that is some what better

You can play with fuel pressure & twist the dizzy to get a closer tune for a whole lot less money.

Self Tuning allows you to get your tune perfect or at the very least, close to perfect

I would have to say the Tweecer is not for you.

Getting a Pro to burn you a chip might be the way to get what you want with the least amount of involvement on your part.

SCT is the most user friendly from what I've seen but the PMS is also much easier to use than the Tweecer.

Any self tuning method is gonna require more time/effort than Ronco's set it & forget it mantra.

Its gettin better ... but ... I haven't seen plug & play ... YET

Good Luck which ever way you go

Grady

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