I have an idea

[PNY PWR]

I just thought of this tonight. Instead of running coolant in the EGR spacer, what about using an inline style pump with water or whatever. One could use something like a heater core or one of those small coolers I've seen at Summitt. Mount the cooler up front and the pump somewhere and just circulate the fluid, spacer to cooler, round and round. Think that would lower the intake air temps? It seems that it would take some heat out.

 

[TT91]

umm..how about just blocking it off like normal...it doesnt need coolant in it, and hot coolant isnt going to lower intake temps.

 

[shttygtstang]

nice though but i have 1 better run n20 through there before you spray

 

[PNY PWR]

I don't think you get what I'm saying. Block off the coolant lines running to and from it like normal. Now hook up lines running to a pump and small radiator up front. Could use 50/50 mix in this system to I guess. So, the cool fluid from the little radiator is pumped into the hot EGR spacer, which surrounds the incoming air, the hot water then goes back to the little radiator to be cooled again.

It could be done using different methods, but my point is to use that area in the EGR spacer to remove heat.

 

[Rick 91GT]

N2O would freeze the alum and possible shatter it.


PNY PWR- With a NA combo I do not think you would get the heat transfer you are looking for and you may get condensation on the inside of the motor with the hot air touching such a cold source. A little water would help make power but too much would cause issues...

I was working on this idea for a NA car for a few years, I have a design that I think may help but still do not feel it will be worth the invest for the minimal return.....

 

[TT91]

nice though but i have 1 better run n20 through there before you spray

lol....everday the posts get more and more enjoyable to read..thank you!

PNYPWR, i know what u mean. Just block off the coolant rails with some rubber nipples and zip ties, and leave the egr open to the air...


lol at n20...

 

[PNY PWR]

What fluid would absorb alot of heat quickly? If you used a low volume pump that would give the fluid a chance to heat up in the EGR spacer and cool off in the radiator.


Mines been disconnected for a long time. This is just an idea I had.

 

[shttygtstang]

theres a company that makes a kit its called ntercooler its nitrous that sprays on you cai so what the idea rick

please dont act like a child shureshot its an idea what do you think they said the first time some one said im sticking a turbine in your exhaust

http://www.prostreetonline.com/buy/nx_n-tercooler_kit/

 

[Rick 91GT]

The NX N-tercooler, is made to spray THROUGH an air/air intercooler so it passes through at a very fast rate in a large air source and would not cuase the metal to freeze, just help lower the air temp that is passing through it.

Personally N2O is too expensive to just spray into the atmosphere, you can get similar results with CO2 and that is what a lot of guys use with those kits.

 

[PNY PWR]

Yeah, the ntercooler is a totally different concept than what I'm talking about.

 

[TT91]

please dont act like a child shureshot its an idea what do you think they said the first time some one said im sticking a turbine in your exhaust

Im sorry, but reading your post from an experienced point of view, i cant help to have a chuckle over it. Once youve removed an egr once or twice, youll realize how useless it is how running n20 through there would have minimal effects on your hp, and huge effects on your wallet. Think before you post something, spraying nitrous into your intake as in that CIA u linked is one thing, but circulating nitrous into ur egr without it entering your motor is a complete waste.

If your worried about it, get an egr delete kit.

 

[PNY PWR]

If your worried about it, get an egr delete kit.

I'm not worried about it. I'm just thinking about the feasability of using the spacer to an advantage.

I bet a could put together kits and make a killing on Ebay.

 

[TT91]

I bet a could put together kits and make a killing on Ebay.

to people such as yourself and shttygtstang...yea most likely. .goodluck

 

[PNY PWR]

to people such as yourself and shttygtstang...yea most likely. .goodluck

WTF is your problem? seriously you're running all over the board spouting your smartass mouth for no reason. What the hell is wrong with trying to brainstorm an idea? What's your major malfunction numbnuts? R. Lee would be ashamed, why aint you over in Iraq getting hacked up?

 

[TT91]

WTF is your problem? seriously you're running all over the board spouting your smartass mouth for no reason. What the hell is wrong with trying to brainstorm an idea? What's your major malfunction numbnuts? R. Lee would be ashamed, why aint you over in Iraq getting hacked up?

just joking around some, dont take it so serious..

 

[89tang]

PNY PWR- instead of wasting your time with your little pump pushing water through the EGR spacer, why don't you put the pump to good use an run an alky system since you have a blower now. FAR more effective then your idea

 

[Rick 91GT]

PNY PWR- instead of wasting your time with your little pump pushing water through the EGR spacer, why don't you put the pump to good use an run an alky system since you have a blower now. FAR more effective then your idea

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[Michael Yount]

PNY PWR - the problem is that the air doesn't gain or lose much heat due to the surface temp of the egr spacer. Whether that spacer is relatively warm or cool - it can't impart much of it's heat to the air stream, for better or for worse. You need WAY more surface area at a different temperature to add or pull heat from the incoming air.

The main reason the coolant lines are there in the first place is to COOL the egr spacer as it has HOT exhaust gases flowing through it. The coolant in the lines is at 180-190F; the exhaust gases are probably up in the 300-500F degree range by the time they've passed through the intake and up to the valve spacer. Removing the coolant lines is going to make the EGR spacer HOTTER not cooler. Replacing the coolant lines with an even cooler coolant will make the egr spacer cooler, but very little of that will get passed on to the air passing into the engine.

 

[Soupy]

Your idea is brilliant from an innovative point of view, but not in theory. Not to be a wet blanket but... This is a fact (simple pysics), circulating any fluid through a closed loop creates friction, and friction=heat. With that said, heat+friction in a closed loop=pressure. So, now we have increased pressure in a closed loop creating more heat=counter productive. You're on the right path by trying to get a cooler/denser charge, if your car has A/C, figure out a way to run cold refrigerant through the EGR! Then firure out if your HP gains offset the losses from the A/C drag on the engine. Good Luck!

 

[Michael Yount]

"Then firure out if your HP gains offset the losses from the A/C drag on the engine."

They don't. If they did - people LONG AGO would've been trying to cool the intake charge that way.

Also this bit of logic - "This is a fact (simple pysics), circulating any fluid through a closed loop creates friction, and friction=heat. With that said, heat+friction in a closed loop=pressure. So, now we have increased pressure in a closed loop creating more heat=counter productive." Any car's cooling system is a closed-loop fluid circulating based system. And they work just fine to keep the car cool without generating excessive friction-related temperature or pressure issues.. The amount of friction, related temperature and pressure created by pumping liquid coolant through a system like ours is negligible. All together I think what that means is that while theoretically your musings may be true, as a practical matter it's a moot point.