There is no replacement for displacement is what it comes down to. The General's LS1 at 5.7L and a 6 speed tranny is hanging with Ford's 4.6L 5 speed. That tells you a lot right there... and what happens when Ford decides to use a 5.4L and a 6 speed? LS-Who?!
I'm putting down 316rwhp, and that was while it was 100 degrees outside. I don't know what ur getting at? You're making alot more out of this than should be. I respect WS6's and LS1's, but when they think they are king sh*@, they are grossly mistaken.
Your ignorance amazes me. Any car with the right mods and set up will spank any car. However, it takes money to make the STI fast and even that car has it's downfalls. I know a few STI's that are making 300-400 awhp and some are fast and some aren't. So what?!Even an STi or Evo with the right stuff will spank thier a@#.
Again, your ignorance shows, I like both Cobras and LS1's. That is why I own both cars, mod both cars and active in both communities. I have a different view because I have spent a lot of time with both cars and see the potential with both. Sorry I just call it how I see it.If you love LS1's and WS6's so much why do you have a stang?
That is exactly what i did and reminded them that I can always go get my stroker fox body and then none of them want to play. They are all weaklings anyway.Just call your friends gay. Thats what i would do.
Why not just sell your mustang and keep your LS1 since they are so superior to a "COBRA". I will give you this, ford has to overcome the displacement issue but when u compare apples to apples the mustang is superior in many ways by far!That's great you are making that power with mods. Unfortunately they can make it bone stock. A few bucks in bolt ons, the LS1 can make 350+ rwhp. The point is the LS1 is king **** compared to a NA 4.6L. Whether you agree or not, the simple fact is mod for mod the LS1 wins when it is in a NA Form. Just because you can hang with a stock one means nothing. For everytime some Mustang owner says they hung with one or beat them, I know of a dozen or more LS1's that have beaten bolt on Cobras.
Your ignorance amazes me. Any car with the right mods and set up will spank any car. However, it takes money to make the STI fast and even that car has it's downfalls. I know a few STI's that are making 300-400 awhp and some are fast and some aren't. So what?!
Again, your ignorance shows, I like both Cobras and LS1's. That is why I own both cars, mod both cars and active in both communities. I have a different view because I have spent a lot of time with both cars and see the potential with both. Sorry I just call it how I see it.
This thread was a debate and a flame, but the fact is most Mustang owners have no idea how fast these cars are and that it doesn't take much to run 10's and dyno 450 rwhp NA. Sorry that Ford didn't have performance in their mind with the 96-01 4V.
Another ignorant comment.Why not just sell your mustang and keep your LS1 since they are so superior to a "COBRA". I will give you this, ford has to overcome the displacement issue but when u compare apples to apples the mustang is superior in many ways by far!
That's great you are making that power with mods. Unfortunately they can make it bone stock. A few bucks in bolt ons, the LS1 can make 350+ rwhp. The point is the LS1 is king **** compared to a NA 4.6L. Whether you agree or not, the simple fact is mod for mod the LS1 wins when it is in a NA Form. Just because you can hang with a stock one means nothing. For everytime some Mustang owner says they hung with one or beat them, I know of a dozen or more LS1's that have beaten bolt on Cobras.
Your ignorance amazes me. Any car with the right mods and set up will spank any car. However, it takes money to make the STI fast and even that car has it's downfalls. I know a few STI's that are making 300-400 awhp and some are fast and some aren't. So what?!
Again, your ignorance shows, I like both Cobras and LS1's. That is why I own both cars, mod both cars and active in both communities. I have a different view because I have spent a lot of time with both cars and see the potential with both. Sorry I just call it how I see it.
This thread was a debate and a flame, but the fact is most Mustang owners have no idea how fast these cars are and that it doesn't take much to run 10's and dyno 450 rwhp NA. Sorry that Ford didn't have performance in their mind with the 96-01 4V.
Not at all. Your replies are biased and really make no sense. You are jumping around talking and sound like a chirping bird.
So I'm ignorant now? Wow your getting touchy! Have I hit a nerve?
Well at my old age I do tend to forget things. Then again I am sure you should have know a 15" wheel will fit a stock 4V brake system, oh wait you didn't really know the answer to that thread did ya.I've probably forgotten more about cars than you know.
Hey why don't you read this thread and comprehend it. I am talking about the fact it is not apples to apples and they are different!!Have you bothered to ingest anything that has been said?! I have commented on how good the LS1 motor is over the 4.6L motor from 96-01 and how easy it is to make them produce numbers. Not how bad the chevy motor is. Tell me the last 4.6L motor to make 400+ rwhp with just bolt ons and cams, all else being stock? Oh wait, that is unheard of with a B headed Cobra and possible from a C headed cobra(I am sure you know these terms), unless you do a big bore kit with some head work involved.Quit crying about how bad Chevys are and just admit that your not comparing apples to apples.
If I can hang with a 5.7 with a 4.6 how would I be if all stangs had the 2000 Cobra R 5.4's? They would spank the hell out of LS1's.
And your ignorance is showing...... I autocross my car, not drag race. To me drag racing is boring, put an LS1 on an autocross track(which you "NEVER" see) and it's all over.
But as far as arguing with you, I'm done, you can't intelligently converse with someone who is convinced of their own mental superiority.
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Please explain to me how the Cobra motor is much better than a LS1?I can't understand the argument here. The Cobra motor is certainly a better motor than the LS1, just not bigger or more powerful. Mod for mod, the LS1 will spank the Cobra. The Cobra responds better to forced induction, though, with it's four-valve heads and is probably a more versatile engine.
Ok so just because it is a DOHC and can rev higher makes it better? BTW, GM had a DOHC back in 1992 that made just as much if not more hp as the 03/04 Cobra's without a blower. So being that it puts out more hp per cubic inch, yet it makes less hp than the LS1 by 50 hpTo me it is a better motor. It is a more modern, dual overhead cam engine. It puts out more horsepower per cubic inch and has the capability of higher rpm.
This thread is an argument period. They all are. It doesn't have to be from me, granted I am non biased. I just wanted concrete proof, not opinions, that's all. Yes the Cobra may be a better car, but the debate is about the engine, not suspension or the seats.Does everything have to become an arguement here? Both my posts sided with you about the LS1 cars being quicker and faster than our '99/'01 Cobras, stock or with bolt-ons. I only favored the Cobra as a better balanced car with better brakes and, now that I think to mention it, a nice independent suspension for better road manners. Better seats starting in '01, also.
Sure it does. Bigger is better when it comes to naturally aspirated performance. Also the LS1 loves Nitrous and with a good build 800-1100 rwhp isn't hard to do on these LSx's either. I spent a lot more on my Cobra to make it faster than my LS1. The right mods also help, but it does take more $$. I have learned that with 3 Mustangs and 2 of them being 4V's.Once again, it takes some serious mods for the '99/'01 Cobras to run with the LS1 cars. Does it make the LS1 motor better? No, just bigger.
Here we go again.I guess that if you want to comare apples to apples, size wise, the 5.4 Cobra R motor makes more power than the '99-'02 LS1, even though it is down about twenty cubes. Mod for mod, it will stay ahead of the LS1. If you shrunk the LS1 motor down to 281 cubes, I doubt that it would come close to the 4.6 DOHC.
Again pointless. Mayweather and De La Hoya aren't even heavyweights. How can you compare that?I will make an analogy with a sport like boxing. Floyd Mayweather, Oscar Delahoya, Felix Trinidad and the like are better fighters than any of the current heavyweights. Could they beat the heavyweights in the ring? No. But they are better fighters. Tom Brady is a better athlete than some giant lineman, but he couldn't take one on straight-up at the line of scrimmage.
I never said anything that they were quicker than the 03+. I never said mod for mod they aren't. In fact I never even had the debate regarding the 03+.Once again, the LS1 cars are quicker and faster than the '99/'01 Cobras. They aren't quicker than the '03-'04 Cobras. Take off the artificial speed limiter and they aren't faster, either. Mod for mod, they aren't better.
Either way, I like the LS1 motor. The LS1 cars always gave the '99/'01 Cobras fits. But when compared to an equal sized DOHC motor, it falls short.
I'm done, you can't intelligently converse with someone who is convinced of thier own mental superiority.
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