Make me smoke LS1s

Quote "-if you can start the car from a dead stop comfortably in second gear, that seems to meet the criteria of "ridiculous" in my book."



my mustang with 4.10s can start comfortably in 2nd gear from a stand still....i could do it with the old 3.27s too....that really just depends on what your standard of "Comfortable" is and how good you are with your clutch. I ask in all seriousness is my car ridiculous? It is my daily driver!

On a lighter note. In a Men's Health magazine about a year ago I read that the Mustang was one of the top five cars chicks dig. I don't mean for them but I mean with you in them. Your more attractive to them in a Mustang than in a FBody. I dont know about you boys but that is hella cool to me and a good reason to but a Mustang.

i read that in an educational magazine too....what was it called??
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...
OH YEAH hustler!!! lol jk

hey guys, we'll just have to agree to disagree on whether or not 4.88, or even 4.56s, are a "mainstream" type mod for a 4V. You're going to have a very difficult time convincing me that even 5% of 4V owners would seriously consider such a mod. I'm not so sure people like the thought of turning their 1st, 2nd, and 3rd gears into something resembling a semi truck at low speed. The vast majority will settle in for 4.10s (like I did with my 98) or they might get brave and venture for 4.30s. But 4.56s or 4.88s?? You're talking about the "2%ers" there, and the main reason they choose such a gear is the possibilities they offer for a redline launch at a drag strip and the awesome 60fts they can yank (which brings this conversation full circle back to my original contention - you now have a 1/4 mile slave, unless you consider starting from idle in 2nd gear "comfortably as an acceptable daily driver characterstic.)

Don't take my word for it, try making a poll post on any of the mustang forums and ask what gears folks might be willing to install. I think you'll get your answer as to whether the masses consider 4.56s-4.88s as "ridiculous".

JBVobra said:

hey guys, we'll just have to agree to disagree on whether or not 4.88, or even 4.56s, are a "mainstream" type mod for a 4V. You're going to have a very difficult time convincing me that even 5% of 4V owners would seriously consider such a mod. I'm not so sure people like the thought of turning their 1st, 2nd, and 3rd gears into something resembling a semi truck at low speed. The vast majority will settle in for 4.10s (like I did with my 98) or they might get brave and venture for 4.30s. But 4.56s or 4.88s?? You're talking about the "2%ers" there, and the main reason they choose such a gear is the possibilities they offer for a redline launch at a drag strip and the awesome 60fts they can yank (which brings this conversation full circle back to my original contention - you now have a 1/4 mile slave, unless you consider starting from idle in 2nd gear "comfortably as an acceptable daily driver characterstic.)Don't take my word for it, try making a poll post on any of the mustang forums and ask what gears folks might be willing to install. I think you'll get your answer as to whether the masses consider 4.56s-4.88s as "ridiculous".

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To get the ETs you want, you have to be a little extreme. I have been thinking about 4.30s in my car.

JBVobra said:

hey guys, we'll just have to agree to disagree on whether or not 4.88, or even 4.56s, are a "mainstream" type mod for a 4V. You're going to have a very difficult time convincing me that even 5% of 4V owners would seriously consider such a mod. I'm not so sure people like the thought of turning their 1st, 2nd, and 3rd gears into something resembling a semi truck at low speed. The vast majority will settle in for 4.10s (like I did with my 98) or they might get brave and venture for 4.30s. But 4.56s or 4.88s?? You're talking about the "2%ers" there, and the main reason they choose such a gear is the possibilities they offer for a redline launch at a drag strip and the awesome 60fts they can yank (which brings this conversation full circle back to my original contention - you now have a 1/4 mile slave, unless you consider starting from idle in 2nd gear "comfortably as an acceptable daily driver characterstic.)

Don't take my word for it, try making a poll post on any of the mustang forums and ask what gears folks might be willing to install. I think you'll get your answer as to whether the masses consider 4.56s-4.88s as "ridiculous".

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Why don't you take Bob's word for it? I mean since it's his daily driver, and you've never dealt with 4.56 gears in a 4V, it only makes since to me. You can rant and rave about 4.56s being extreme and essentially turning a car into a "1/4 mile slave", but in the end do you realize that you're only talking about a 200+/- RPM difference between those and 4.30s?
BTW, you can start off in 2nd gear comfortably in any manual car.

Jeff....I am not going to try and convince you of anything. I said my peace, it is up to you to decide for yourself. I will say that 4.56s are pretty common in the n/a, enthusiast crowd. 4.30s are more common. Both are more than you'll likely see in any stock-motored F-body (especially 4.56s). 4.88s are quite rare.

Personally, I went back to 4.56s because I couldn't get a set of 4.88s to stay quiet. Each tooth is huge, and both sets I had got loud after only a few thousand miles (setup by a very reputable shop). I put well over 50,000 miles on my car with 4.56s in less than 3 years of driving, and will put a lot more on it when the NMRA season is over.

Call it a drag queen all you wish.

A simple dry kit should get you into the low 13s. With at least 4.10s, stall, and tires I see no reason why you won't get 12s. When I use to make 328/378 I never had any issues running bolt on LS1s. To the crackhead posting about 10s, and 11s on a 400 or so rwhp LS1, you have got to be kidding. Now if it were completely stripped down and with slicks, pherhaps low 11s. I have many more posts on the LS1 boards than I do on the stang sites and 400-425 is low 12s to high 11s

Bob, this whole discussion is just opinion. There is no right or wrong and you're certainly entitled to yours.

I just think its drastic to turn your 5 speed into a 3 1/2 speed. I just hope people reading this thread realize running that new T5 of yours definitely steepens the ratio a bit from a T45/3650 . Not to mention you yourself would probably admit a stock T45/3650 is no where near strong enough to take alot of abuse at a track (or even the street for that matter) like that specialized T5. Better take into account the lost fuel economy of the T45/3650 5th gear, that is, while its still alive.

Folks need to basically factor in a new tranny when considering gears like that.

LOL. Ya ok. You tell em what they need and don't need (especially the new tranny part). I'll keep pulling the wool over their eyes with my steep-geared 3 1/2 speed (very silly statement), and I guess dream about having as many gears are your car.

I like the T45. The only reason I originally swapped to a T5 was the lack of a scattershield (I can't run 11s in the NMRA without it, I will get DQ'd). It is certainly not the strongest transmission in the world.

hey bob..... i just sold my 01 GT to my uncle and prepare to buy a 94-95 GT.... in the 01 i had 4.10's but it was an auto...

i dont drive on the highway at all really dont need to... how would 4.30's be on the street? my other mods would be most likely the trickflow H/C/I package, x-pipe, tri-ax shifter, some suspension mods etc, and maybe a nitrous kit....

the goals of the car are to run a high to mid 12 N/A and a high 11 on the juice....


how are 4.30's and nitrous?

sorry of the thread hijacking.... just seems you know a bunch about lower gears.... thanks.

"not the strongest tranny in the world..." the understatement of the year lol

having a 3.37 first and 4.88 rear is an insane ratio. no wonder you were snapping those input/output shafts so easily. That specialized T5 with the 2.92 first tames it down quite a bit. And now you're dropping to 4.56s with the lower first. .5X 5th comes in sweet on the highway.

Maybe you were a bit drastic with the 4.88s to begin with. Just admit it, you would never run the times you are now with the T45. lol

what was your best et with each? 60ft? mpg? how many T45 shaft snaps? I think you were lying on your back plenty of times out in the pits.

Nightlife....I've run 4.30s in a daily driven 5.0 (my Coupe), but I had 28" tall street tires to help kill the gear. Unless you're willing to do the same, I'd stay down to no more than 4.10s. Certainly that is too much gear with Nitrous.

LOL. Now we get to go have some more fun with Mr presumptuously uniformed...

JBVobra said:

"not the strongest tranny in the world..." the understatement of the year lol

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There are T45s running 10s - some of them consistently (Joe Lynch in El Paso comes to mind). Of course that is the exception and not the rule. Like I said, I like the tranny for a number of reasons.

having a 3.37 first and 4.88 rear is an insane ratio. no wonder you were snapping those input/output shafts so easily.

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You have no idea how uninformed you are.

First, I never broke a thing with the 4.88s.

Second, I never broke an output shaft.

Third, I broke input shafts on the 3/4 or 2/3 shift - not in first.

Fourth, I never had the 4.88s with the T45.

And Fifth, I originally went to 4.88s when we installed a different intake that (all by itself) raised the peak HP of the motor from 6100 to almost 6900 rpm. Wouldn't you think that would require a bit more gear? Bueller?

Being prepared is a good thing. Knowledge is your friend. Talking about what you have no knowledge of is dumb.

Hi dumb.

That specialized T5 with the 2.92 first tames it down quite a bit.

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Glad it meets your approval. Oh, its not "specialized". It is available (in a number of configurations) to anybody that wants to buy one....right off the shelf. They even make them for the T56 (for when you learn to get the most out of your car and start to break trannies).

FYI, prior to the G-Force, the T5 I had in my car had a 2.95 1st gear. Guess that tamed it down quite a bit too, don't you think?

Oh. I did some math. With my T45/4.56 setup, I ran to 35 mph in 1st. With my current setup, I run to 40 mph in 1st. Wow. Quite the truck gear, huh? What will your car run to in 1st gear with the 3.90s your talking about getting? 40-45? Isn't that a bit insane like mine?

And now you're dropping to 4.56s with the lower first. .5X 5th comes in sweet on the highway.

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Welcome to last year. The 4.88s came out in November because, as I previously mentioned, I couldn't keep a set quiet. Also last year (about the same time I put the 4.88s in), I had the 2.95 1st gear T5.

Duh.

Maybe you were a bit drastic with the 4.88s to begin with.

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Maybe you haven't a clue one way or the other, because you've never driven, raced, or even seen a car like mine with that gear? You're talking out of your ass Jeff. You don't know - you can only assume based on........nothing. But please don't let that stop you - we're all having fun watching you do it.

Just admit it, you would never run the times you are now with the T45. lol

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That's a stupid statement. Why wouldn't I? On slicks, the more 1st gear I can get the better. The only issues would be legality (can't run 11s without a scattershield - and the NMRA checks) and longevity (I'm going to break it....sooner or later).

what was your best et with each? 60ft?

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With each what? Gear? Tranny? Combination?

Best ever 60 ft was a 1.55 w/4.88s and the T5 on the stock motor (11.60 run). Best w/4.56s and T45 was 1.58, also on the stock motor. Might want to do some math before you go making assumptions (again). And when you do, you still won't know the details that tell the whole story. In other words, you'll still be talking out your derriere.

FYI...I'll do better than that when I put the car on slicks with the new motor (best so far on DRs is 1.59). But then again, it won't be a valid comparison, will it?

mpg?

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T45/4.56 = 25-26 mpg
T5/4.88 = 25-26 mpg
T5/4.56 and new motor = 27-28 mpg

You figure out why and how.

how many T45 shaft snaps?

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5 - all in a 5 month period in 2001. I didn't break any T45 or rear parts in 2002 or 2003. Once again, you're welcome to tell me why, as I'm sure you know.

I think you were lying on your back plenty of times out in the pits.

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Damn sure was. Part of racing. You should try racing sometime (no, I'm not talking about test n tune on Friday nite).

Kevin2811 said:

I have been reading here for quite some time. You guys must be racing some pro GM drivers, because I have been smoking the new gen camaro's with a pretty stock 5.0 and completely stock 4.6. Some of you think you need lot's of add ons to do this, but it's not true. Drive your car like a rental and blast the GM mother ****ers!

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i like you! you make me laugh.

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LOL, 400 rwhp is not needed to run low 12s to high 11s. I did it on the stock suspension and stock tires with only 321rwhp. The car was full weight except spare and jack. The back to back runs were 12.22 and 12.26 @ 111+mph. This was a 99 Z28 auto.

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Yea and thats why a 350RWHP LIGHTER more aerodynamic 6spd Z06 can only do the 1/4 in 12.4s or so

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Yea and thats why a 350RWHP LIGHTER more aerodynamic 6spd Z06 can only do the 1/4 in 12.4s or so

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are you serious? dude the z06 isnt a drag car. its a sports car. you get a car to hook on slicks with 300rwhp you can run low 12's....

the z06 isnt set up for drag racing...if it was im pretty sure you would see LOW LOW 12 second time slips stock

NightLife said:

are you serious? dude the z06 isnt a drag car. its a sports car. you get a car to hook on slicks with 300rwhp you can run low 12's....

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The guy I was posting too had a Z28 auto with STOCK suspension and STOCK tires...NOT a drag car.And he was claming to run 12.2s. So I dont know what your talking about, if he had slicks or maybe just some suspension and wider tires I wouldnt of said anything.I know you can get 12s with slicks a stuff, but he didnt have any of that so thats why I brought up the stock Z06 and how its time was slower than his...SOME HOW LOL.So be sure to read the post FULLY please.

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the z06 isnt set up for drag racing...if it was im pretty sure you would see LOW LOW 12 second time slips stock

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Neither was the camaro. EDIT: as a side note, those Z06s can run 11s with just some slicks, so yea they are fast.But both the Z28 and Z06 had stock tires and suspension, but the AUTO Z28 with smaller tires, less HP, less aerodynamics, and more weight somehow runs a quicker time than the Z06.So thats why I was basically calling

MustangLife said:

Ryan02Stang wrote



I go to the track weekly. I drag race alot, I street race alot. I know everybodies combos and what they are running. I know what there cars can do.

The cars I refer to above have drag suspensions. I'm basically refering to 4 cars. 2 ls1's and 2 4.6 cobras.

One of the cobras is a 96 cobra with a 01 cobra engine forged with a d1sc with heads and cams built by No Limit Race Cars(Mike Johnson) same guy that built Aaron Archers car. Hes on 4.10 gear through a t-56. Sean Hyland Long tubes, bassani x and cat-back,D&D Tubular k kit up front, battery relocated to the rear, a/c deleted, heater core deleted, no sway bar, upper and lowers, weight reduction, etc. His car runs 7.20's in the 1/8 mile at 97-98 mph with a mid 1.65 short time on 15x3.5 rod lites and 15x8 rod lites in the rear et streets. His last dyno was 560 rwhp and 520 rwtq.

One of the ls1 cars is a 96 lt1 with a ls1 conversion on the stock short block. Had stage 2 p&p heads, some kind of comp cam i think, full exhaust long tubes 3inch's all the way back with a cut out. ls6 intake, Drag springs in the front with drilled out stock shocks, bmr rear suspension, 3.73 through a t-56. Hes done weight reduction, relocated battery, ls1 edit, weld wheels too, 26 inch et drags, This guy ran a best of 7.20-7.30 trapping 102 mph in the 1/8 with a 1.55 short time. This same guy also ran a 6.58 in the 1/8 mile on a 150 wet kit and 75 dry kit when he was still on stock heads and cams.

Another one of the ls1 guys ran a best of 6.90 in the 1/8 and most of the time 7.10's in the 1/8 fully built ls1 car on stock cubes heads, cams, exhaust, ls1 edit, full drag suspension, weight reduction, etc and he has since added a 150 tnt kit on top of his 6.90-7.10 car so he is good for another 5-6 tenths in the 1/8 mile which would put him in the 6.40 range.

These are low 11 second cars on motor. What is so hard to understand. 4.6 cars do not have the powerband a 4.6 does simple as that.

I have a friend with a 99 cobra on the stock long block. Dynoing 430 rwhp on a s-trim with a 4.56 gear through a t-45, 28 inch et drags on 15x10 bogarts, 15x3.5 front. Fiberglass hood, battery relocated, rear seat delete, x2c racing seats, 4 cyl front springs, lakewood 90/10's, adjustable rear drag shocks, cut fox body v8 springs in the rear, x-pipe, and cat-back, stock headers, and has ran a best of 7.48 and a consistant 7.60's. Hes 4-6 tenths off from the all motor ls1 cars with 400-430 rwhp.

All 4 drivers are very good and drag race weekly.

I could go on and on with more combos, but I'm not. I'm not saying i love ls1 cars better, they look like ****. I love mustangs, but the potential of the ls1 is far past the 4.6.

Josh

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You are, by far, one of the dumbest people on earth. Were you ever IQ tested? I'm guessing you must of been around an IQ of 5-6. Or did you fail completely? Did they stop testing went you went into the negatives? So what's you IQ? -5, -10, 1, 2, I'm dying to know. It can't be high at all.

Go get an LS1 and come to Colorado Springs. I have a weak powerbanded 4.6 waiting for you.