My 95 is too slow...

[EPIK]

Hey all...

I am trying to figure out what I want to do to make my 95 ALOT faster than it is. The only thing is, the car is my daily driver so it needs to be reliable. So far I only have an o/r H & catback & I am tired of this thing being so damn slow. I love the way it sounds, & looks, but I hate that its so slow. Even though its just my DD, its still a Stang & it needs to be faster. I want to be able to hang with the 99-04 GT's, H/C/I Fox's, & stock-ish 4th gen F bodies. I want to be able to beat my 03 Mach 1. At this point, I dont think this thing could even hang with a modded civic LOL!!!

I was thinking about either doing a mild H/C/I setup, or possibly getting a blower & putting it on the stock motor... I already have a few parts waiting such as a TrickFlow track heat manifold, elbow, BBK 70mm tb, BBK fuel regulator, & FRPP shorties. I was thinking about getting a Vortech SQ trim & using the parts I mentioned, along with whatever else I need, & trying to make a nice sleeper setup. I would probably be using stock heads & cam, or possibly ported stock heads. Would this be a decent reliable setup & would it make some decent power??? Would it have better results, driveability, & reliability than a H/C/I setup??? What would I need to tune it??? Sorry for all the questions, but I am still a noob to 5.0's since all my other stangs have been 4.6's....

Thanks...

 

[blksn955.o]

A good tune up and a n2o kit will get you were you want to be. You can run very low 13's or high 12's with a 125 shot. It is off so you can still get good DD mileage and whatnot.

If you want the power always there get a charger...

I would leave the longblock alone other than making sure it is in tip top shape first...IE...compression check, leak down test, new plugs, wires, cap, rotor, vacume lines, hoses, sensors all in good shape.

Better yet...buy a civic for a DD and keep both mustangs nice and toys. Mod them and not worry about one breaking down.

 

[Pokageek]

Yep. Supercharge it on stock longblock. Unfortunately with the e7 heads, the choked out intake and the choking emissions, the 5.0 is only putting out 220hp stock.

 

[Chythar]

Gears, gears, gears..... A higher set of gears in the back will give you an immediate kick. Beyond that, you should check out the easy things before doing a h/c/i. When was the last time you cleaned your MAF? Fuel filter? Spark plugs?

 

[fiveoho]

bone stock car u say. so the gear is prob either a 2.73 or 3.08. since its a DD prob dont need to get too crazy. i would think a 3.55 gear would be perfect. noticeable upgrade and still maintain some mileage.

as for the charger: i spoke with a rep from vortech a few months back about putting a s-trim on a stock 94/95 302. he said it would put down high 280's whp on 6-8 psi.

 

[Venom351R]

Would this be a decent reliable setup & would it make some decent power??? Would it have better results, driveability, & reliability than a H/C/I setup??? What would I need to tune it???...

IMO if it came down to supercharging the stock motor or doing a H/C/I swap Id go the H/C/I route and 3.55 or 3.73 gears. You will need a dyno tune in order for the supercharger route to really work and to fix any drive ability issues. Unlike a H/C/I set up it will require more to tune it in order to make it run right. Plus you need to upgrade your injectors and your fuel pump. For the amount of money you would have to dump into it in order to supercharge it I dont see it as being worth while compared to the power level you could have w/ a H/C/I set up. Just something to consider.

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=TFS-K514-350-370&autoview=sku

Hard to beat for the price. A kit like that will give you a good 300 RWHP if not very close. Hard to put together a supercharger, injectors, dyno tune and any other mods for that price as the H/C/I kit. you wont get anymore HP out of a stock 5.0 w/ a supercharger then you will a H/C/I set up or if you do not enough to make it worth while price wise.

as for the charger: i spoke with a rep from vortech a few months back about putting a s-trim on a stock 94/95 302. he said it would put down high 280's whp on 6-8 psi.

which is probably less then a good H/C/I kit set up .

 

[BlackVert]

just my the 410 out of my car

 

[blksn955.o]

I dissagree with the comment about "you will not get anymore HP out of a (stock shortblock) supercharged car than a (stock shortblock) H/C/I car". There are many guys who get over 300rwhp and closer to the 400rwhp mark with a stock longblock. Honestly, around 300rwhp is about the norm for a H/C/I car on the high side without being REALLY purpose built to get more.

A tune is a tune no matter if its going to be to get the charger to work right or the H/C/I to work right so that is a wash. Both can run without one but will prob. run like dog poo.

6-8lbs IMHO is about worthless. Most people you see running a charger will be in the 10-15lb range. I know a guy who put down over 400rwhp with 15lbs on the stock shortblock, factory unported E7s, stock cam, and a cobra intake. You will be VERY hard pressed to hit those numbers on a stock 302 without dumping a lot of money into it. Granted the 400hp level is alittle more developed than avg. but it should not be hard to hit 325-350rwhp with a quality supercharger kit. Those kits often include injectors and fuel pumps so research what you get with the kits. You will have to buy larger injectors with a H/C/I setup also.

If I was looking at a DD to mod...I would be looking at not having to pull heads and install a cam. I would be looking at something I could install without cracking the motor open (maybe a new intake at most) and could be removed with more ease/broght back to stock easier.

 

[final5-0]

Good points by all

I do relate to old school power by just using what mother nature can do

Then again ... forcing the mix is a great way to make power as well

Can't expect 300 or better with either method with no compromises

IMHO ... NA is a bit more forgiving than the forced route

I'd lean to that method for a daily driver
or
If one has little experience with building/owning modded combos

I agree with the thinking that low levels of boost on blown oem combos
yield about the same amount of gain as NA h/c/i combos

Using a large amount of boost on a dd oem combo can be a bit tricky

If going NA on a dd stick combo ... I'd go 373's

Final thoughts would be focused on the fact you talk about a dd

Just be cautious about going too radical in your quest for power

Good Luck with all your decisions

Grady

 

[EPIK]

Gears, gears, gears..... A higher set of gears in the back will give you an immediate kick. Beyond that, you should check out the easy things before doing a h/c/i. When was the last time you cleaned your MAF? Fuel filter? Spark plugs?

I plan on doing 3.55's soon, & as far as the maf, fuel filter, plugs, cap, rotor, i did that about 6 months ago...

Thanks for all the replys everyone. I will have to give this some thought for a while because as far as doing a h/c/i swap, I am already 1/2 way there, all i need are heads, a cam, & a few odds & ends. No matter what, I am going to have to save some money up for a while to make either or happen. I will keep u guys posted...

Thanks again

 

[DDSTANG94]

I plan on doing 3.55's soon, & as far as the maf, fuel filter, plugs, cap, rotor, i did that about 6 months ago...

Thanks for all the replys everyone. I will have to give this some thought for a while because as far as doing a h/c/i swap, I am already 1/2 way there, all i need are heads, a cam, & a few odds & ends. No matter what, I am going to have to save some money up for a while to make either or happen. I will keep u guys posted...

Thanks again

sorry man i just had to laugh when u said ur half way there, there is alot more that goes into a CORRECT na combo than h/i/c...and the heads are by far the most expensive

I agree with the above, i too contemplated supercharged or na....

with a supercharger u can have many problems, thrown belts ect..
and u can ruin ur motor if its a little out of tune...
plus on a dd i guarantee the na combo will get better gas mileage..something to think about...
GO N/A

 

[EPIK]

sorry man i just had to laugh when u said ur half way there, there is alot more that goes into a CORRECT na combo than h/i/c...and the heads are by far the most expensive

I agree with the above, i too contemplated supercharged or na....

with a supercharger u can have many problems, thrown belts ect..
and u can ruin ur motor if its a little out of tune...
plus on a dd i guarantee the na combo will get better gas mileage..something to think about...
GO N/A

LOL!!! I didnt mean 1/2 way there cost wise, I meant as far as parts are concerened. Im not sure if u saw the list of parts I have already. Okay, maybe not 1/2 way there, but close to 1/2....

I know Im still gonna need injectors, MAF, rockers etc, etc....

 

[Juggalo95]

I have a stock 5.0gts dd and i have thought about modding it...and I thought a used s/c kit would be cheap and a hci would be great but Im lazy and think I might swap out my 3.27 for 4.xx....My GTS isnt fast but still handle bolt on Type S RSX's...and old assed Monte SS,Pimpallla SS's..would like beat 4th gen F bodies though..

But I think Gears,Intake,TB, would be what ID reccommen for just a dd...

 

[Pokageek]

Good points by all

I do relate to old school power by just using what mother nature can do

Then again ... forcing the mix is a great way to make power as well

Can't expect 300 or better with either method with no compromises

IMHO ... NA is a bit more forgiving than the forced route

I'd lean to that method for a daily driver
or
If one has little experience with building/owning modded combos

I agree with the thinking that low levels of boost on blown oem combos
yield about the same amount of gain as NA h/c/i combos

Using a large amount of boost on a dd oem combo can be a bit tricky

If going NA on a dd stick combo ... I'd go 373's

Final thoughts would be focused on the fact you talk about a dd

Just be cautious about going too radical in your quest for power

Good Luck with all your decisions

Grady

Listen to this guy, he knows what he is talking about. And yes 3.73's NA.

 

[HGFireHazard]

sorry man i just had to laugh when u said ur half way there, there is alot more that goes into a CORRECT na combo than h/i/c...and the heads are by far the most expensive

I agree with the above, i too contemplated supercharged or na....

with a supercharger u can have many problems, thrown belts ect..
and u can ruin ur motor if its a little out of tune...
plus on a dd i guarantee the na combo will get better gas mileage..something to think about...
GO N/A

I don't see why adding a supercharger would give a person problems with throwing belts? I never had a problem with losing belts with my Vortech.

The NA combo will most likely get better gas mileage, but that isn't necessarily a guarantee either. That really depends on the driver.

The lack of a tune on a NA motor can also blow it up.

Personally, the cost of a H/C/I is almost certainly less than that of adding a blower. I look at it like this: I knew I wanted a H/C/I and I knew I wanted a supercharger, I just had to choose what order I wanted to put them on it. I chose the charger because it generally nets more hp/tq than your average H/C/I and it can REALLY amplify future mods.

Just like was said earlier, there are stock blocks who have just swapped intakes making high 300 whp.

Really, both can be dependable with a tune and the right parts. A charger will most likely cost more but will also most likely give you more power.

Do you want a broad torque curve like a H/C/I will give you, the high end power of a centrifugal charger, the low end torque of a roots/screw charger... the choice really should be what you ultimately want out of the car and what you want out of it now.

 

[EPIK]

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I knew I wanted a H/C/I and I knew I wanted a supercharger, I just had to choose what order I wanted to put them on it. I chose the charger because it generally nets more hp/tq than your average H/C/I and it can REALLY amplify future mods.

J.

Exactly. The whole reason a blower sounds good to me right now is because @ 86K my car has relatively low miles & it should be able to last for a while with the right setup. Another reason, it should net me some strong gains right away, but still be able to be used when I do step up to a h/c/i setup... When I actually build a motor I wanna do something better than the stock bottom end with a dart block, 331, AFR's etc....At that point the car wont be the DD, but for now it still is...Since I do quite a bit of city driving the car is only getting 16mpg on average, so if I lose a few MPG with either setup it wont matter much, I just need it to be reliable on a day to day basis....

 

[DDSTANG94]

I don't see why adding a supercharger would give a person problems with throwing belts? I never had a problem with losing belts with my Vortech.

The NA combo will most likely get better gas mileage, but that isn't necessarily a guarantee either. That really depends on the driver.

The lack of a tune on a NA motor can also blow it up.

Personally, the cost of a H/C/I is almost certainly less than that of adding a blower. I look at it like this: I knew I wanted a H/C/I and I knew I wanted a supercharger, I just had to choose what order I wanted to put them on it. I chose the charger because it generally nets more hp/tq than your average H/C/I and it can REALLY amplify future mods.

Just like was said earlier, there are stock blocks who have just swapped intakes making high 300 whp.

Really, both can be dependable with a tune and the right parts. A charger will most likely cost more but will also most likely give you more power.

Do you want a broad torque curve like a H/C/I will give you, the high end power of a centrifugal charger, the low end torque of a roots/screw charger... the choice really should be what you ultimately want out of the car and what you want out of it now.

good points

when i said tune tho i was more referring to the tune up items, spark plugs ect...
but i guess there importtant on both na and sc

 

[Pokageek]

YEs, BUT you much more easily do nasty damage on a blown motor outta tune than a H/C/I..

 

[parchisi]

YEs, BUT you much more easily do nasty damage on a blown motor outta tune than a H/C/I..

:Word:

Unfortunately i'm experiencing some of that, although my combo is a bit more than a stock longblock with a vortech

 

[BK_CAULEY]

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