OHH and too the guy that knows me aka FAST DRIVER and know i dont have a clue, Ive had a 89 notch for over 2 years thats getting a 421 SBC with 726 N/A hp SWAP im pretty sure i have alot more of a clue than you on this topic.
Heres the breakdown on the parts
364ci LQ9 motor - 1000-1500
L92 heads - 1200 with valves/springs/retainers
Intake manifold - 229 fits (under stock hood)
Cam - comp unit, $400
Theres the 3300, by the time u buy head gaskets, it will be right about 3500. Car craft did this same
motor with just a cam/header/intake swap and made 440 hp NA also.
I agree that a HCI blower 302 could make the number and be a little cheaper, but the block strength of the 302's scares people away
Oh and you can go get a truck 5.3L ls.. complete for like 1grand... put a 150 shot on it and be over 500whp. So it can be done cheap and with good power.
Chris,
I'm not holding up the torch for an installed LS motor over a ford combo as a "cheaper" build. I was calling you out because you told dude he could build a 500 whp N/A stroker windsor cheaper than a junkyard LS.
I disagree with this statement. I'm not a nitrous guy, but certainly it is possible to do it with a 200 shot of nitrous on a 400hp windsor. In any event, a 300 windsor with a 15 psi will make 600, and that's a subject I know more about than nitrous.There have been article after article touting junkyard LS builds that make that HP on the bottle for around 3k from a salvage yard.
Induction makes the power, and Junkyard windsors fall woefully short of the potential of any air movement capable of making 600 FWHP regardless of how damn much nitrous you ram down it.
And you don't know why everybody is hating on 302's here lately? It was your suggestion above that 302's were prone to breakage, maybe that's where some people might get it in their head.
Somehow I suspect it was a tuning related issue or you were revving the hell out of it. A well tuned 351W pushing that power and shifted at 5500-6000 rpm should be fine. If I'm wrong, then it's a rare example.As for me, I have personally had a 393 w/ a cracked main saddle at around 650 FWHP. Just because there are a bunch running all day with more doesn't mean that there aren't a bunch of dead ones in the bottom of a lake either.
I don't have a thing for this thread, regardless of how many replies I've made here. I don't have a thing for chevy either. And after looking at your sig, I understand that you have more than a Mustang in your garage.
I do have a thing for people getting all bent out of shape because somebody does something different and immediately gets dogged for straying beyond the warm and fuzzy of good ole ford blue.
This forum is full of that. EFI over carbs, notches over hatches, pushrods over OHC's.
For people to be on the side of complacency and ask "why don't we all just get along" and agree to disagree?
I'd go one further.
How bout if you don't have anything positive to say, why not say anything?
But then how fun would that be?
Now why im posting on "Fox 5.0 Talk" Show me where it says conversions & hybrids on here? and ill post there. I figured more people would want to know more about the 60 ft or the power not argue this entire time.
Oh and you can go get a truck 5.3L ls.. complete for like 1grand... put a 150 shot on it and be over 500whp. So it can be done cheap and with good power.
I kind of wish StangNet would follow the Corral on that, and create a section on the boards for conversions and hybrids. If for no other reason, it would keep these retarded pissing matches out of Fox Talk.
I'll believe that when my **** turns purple and smells like rainbow sorbet. What was the highest stock power output for a truck 5.3L? Looks like, depending on the year, anywhere from 285-300hp. +150 shot spray, looks like we're now in the 435-450 range. Consider 12% drivetrain loss, now we're seeing 39X to the tire. That's about 100hp shy of that "500whp" number.
Statements like that just make me grin and shake my head. The LS engines are good, but they aren't MAGIC.
this place is getting more and more like 4eyedpride every day
Whoa whoa whoa.... I have no idea about that place, but it sounds bad so how dare you?
Whoa whoa whoa.... I have no idea about that place, but it sounds bad so how dare you?
I disagree with this statement. I'm not a nitrous guy, but certainly it is possible to do it with a 200 shot of nitrous on a 400hp windsor. In any event, a 300 windsor with a 15 psi will make 600, and that's a subject I know more about than nitrous.
.Somehow I suspect it was a tuning related issue or you were revving the hell out of it. A well tuned 351W pushing that power and shifted at 5500-6000 rpm should be fine. If I'm wrong, then it's a rare example
I don't have a problem with that. I just can't stand the comments that it couldn't be done with a Ford, or that it's somehow better or cheaper when it's done with a Chevy. About the only way that it makes practical sense to me is if you have a Fox with no motor, and you already own an LS1 with no car. That's kind of a strange situation to be in, but I'm sure it happens. If I were in that situation, well... actually I'd probably sell the motor and buy a Ford to put in it, haha! but at least I could understand using the chevy motor in that case.
I don't think we all have to get along. We should try and be polite if possible, though.
$100 351W junkyard block. LOL. We would NEVER pull any sort of 351W or 302 engine for $100. What kind of junkyards do you guys have around you??? I'd be losing money spending the time it takes to pull a motor for $100.00
The local Pull-A-Part will help you hoist an engine out of a vehicle and into your truck bed if you have it all torn down and ready to lift. They have fixed pricing on all V8s, IIRC, it is right around $100.
Of course, then the question is, would you rather have a $100 351 or a $100 LS?
I will say though, the junkyard engine argument is very flawed. People like to act as if there are just thousands of prime V8s sitting in junkyards waiting to be dropped into race cars, and that just isn't the case. Low mileage ones get yanked and are sold at a premium. The cheap ones that sit in the yard are all high mileage junk. Last time I was at the JY, there were maybe 20 complete 351s, and out of them maybe only 2 or 3 were actually roller cam (which, personally I would only consider roller for a performance application). ALL of them had ODO readings in the 200,000 range, so they would all have likely required a full rebuild with an overbore. ($$$) I haven't really junkyard shopped for LS engines, but I'd be willing to bet it's the same way.
$100 351W junkyard block. LOL. We would NEVER pull any sort of 351W or 302 engine for $100. What kind of junkyards do you guys have around you??? I'd be losing money spending the time it takes to pull a motor for $100.00
Last time I was at the JY, there were maybe 20 complete 351s, and out of them maybe only 2 or 3 were actually roller cam (which, personally I would only consider roller for a performance application).
From what little I know of you, I'll have to admit I am humbled to be in the presence of a true know it all. You're the second one I've encountered on this board. So, God,
Do all of your engines just go from initial startup to "well tuned"?
"Shifted at 5500-6000?" what were you doing? going shopping? Is the "rare example" that you're wrong, or the failed windsor?
The engine had a 4340 crank, H beam rods, 13:1 Ross pistons, and a cam W/ a power band to 7k. Stupid me, I should've known better than rev it to 6800.
Oddly enough, they offered a 302 sportsman too - it was no more durable than the stock block.Strangely enough, Ford felt the need to offer a Sportsman intermediate block. I guess they did that because the stock windsor block is so durable.
The last time I checked w/ the guy at Motorsport, (today) He wouldn't advise relying on a stock block beyond 500 FWHP, and stated that the tune was relative to the durability, but getting there was what killed it. Lastly, that they always cracked in the main saddle.
It's not sacrilege to do something different. If you don't like the car, treat it like you were in front of it at a car show, and walk on by.
Coming from experience, I had my fill of " forum experts" on the Starion/Conquest Ricer board I used to frequent when I had my Ford engined Starion/Conquests. The Starion had the n2o 393w, the Conquest had an R302 block'd TT363. W/ the pictures as a testimonial to how the builds were done, all I heard was "Why didn't you use the 4 cyl?; "Why didn't you use a 340/360 in a Chrysler as opposed to a Ford motor?"(even though it was a japanese car) "Why would you get rid of the IRS and swap in a ford rear?" (Despite the fact that the half shafts were cast 3/4" junk.) "Why did you ruin a perfectly good car?" AND "Why didn't you put that in a mustang or some other Ford where it belonged?"
There was a small percentage that liked it for what it was, but for the most part, this is what I got.
I agree w/ you. Being polite only goes as far and as long until somebody comes along and makes a smart assed one line post about how this or that sucks. From there, it'sthen
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