Need clutch...Spec Stage 1 or King Cobra?..those who have one come in..(daily driver)

#22
Grn92LX said:
Actually, valeo makes all that stuff so essentially its the same brand. If d&d sells it, its definatly good! It should all be done tomorrow so I will report back if it is. Also, what tremec said was a clear case of them trying to cover their ass for warranty claims man. I have NEVER once in my life heard what they told you. The mcleod disk has different material on both sides. If what tremec said was true (which its not) how can ford sell a king cobra clutch and a fms HD clutch? Different pp's and SAME disk ;)
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I know Valeo makes the FRPP stuff- they don't make McCloud that I know of. The KC and the HD are both by the same company, and both are known to grab at the same point, just not the same pedal pressure or holding power. One PP may be stronger than the other, but they were still designed to operate the same - it logically follows that they would interchange. I know the MC disc has two different materials- remember, I did use it. I don't see how that makes any difference though. I'm surprised you've never heard this, I thought it was common knowledge. I've been hearing it my whole life, and it was repeated to me by tech's from almost every clutch company I talked to. The TTC CS guy was the one who flipped, which really got my attention. And, what they all said turned out to look very true when I pulled it apart: the KC pressure plate was way flatter than the SPEC one that replaced it, and I remember that it was also flatter than the CF one that came out first. They are thinner, and the FRPP disc is too. Put a fatter disc in there than it came with, and what's gonna happen? There just isn't enough room to disengage, and my MC kev disc was so bulletproof that instead of wearing down it pooped the KC PP. This mickeymouse combo was installed better part of two years ago though, designs may have changed. Thats why I want an update. Mine basically shifted like a truck, and never felt like it broke in until I put the SPEC in, despite trying every linkage adjustment kit out there and having two ASE master techs beating their heads against it with me. D&D does know their stuff though, so something must be different. Good luck
 
#23
It says valeo right on my disk. I asked d&d what clutch it is and they said its a mcleod and it comes with a FMS HD PP or add $10 for a KC PP which is what I did. Valeo makes a lot of stuff for places. I will report back, whether good or bad, about how the parts are. But honestly, d&d is a respected name in the industry and definatly know their ford drivetrain stuff, so I can't see them selling a bad clutch/pp combo that wont work good. If your bored, give them a call and ask them about the 'C103' clutch kit, 248-735-6220
 
#24
Sounds like it was engineered to work together then. It definately doesn't sound like what I had, mine didn't say Valeo anywhere, just McLoud. Even had the clover embossed on it somewhere, if I remember right. A lot can change in two years I guess. The one I had was so obviously mismatched when we took it out that there wasn't any doubt, although it looked fine going in. I'm sure they have more than one disc too though, mine coulda been wrong :shrug:
 
#25
stangbear427 said:
Sounds like it was engineered to work together then. It definately doesn't sound like what I had, mine didn't say Valeo anywhere, just McLoud. Even had the clover embossed on it somewhere, if I remember right. A lot can change in two years I guess. The one I had was so obviously mismatched when we took it out that there wasn't any doubt, although it looked fine going in. I'm sure they have more than one disc too though, mine coulda been wrong :shrug:
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Hmm, who knows man. I bought it all from d&d and it didnt come in a mcleod box. They told me it was a mcleod. Maybe its made to d&d's specs? I dont know. It does sound different than what you had.
 
#27
I have a King Cobra in my car. I don't drive the car everyday, but its not because the clutch is too stiff. I really like the way the pedal feels as compared to just about any other car I've ever driven. And after driving my car with its stiff clutch pedal, it makes any other car (especially with a hydraulic clutch) feel very weak. Mine has never chattered once either. It has really good feedback for the driver.
 
#28
I remember when I first got the car a year ago (the clutch was real stiff and still is but better)...I was also driving my 2000 GT at the time (the preferred car)...and I had just gotten out of the 93 and stepped into the 00 Gt and I went to push in the clutch and my leg just slammed against the firewall while it was on the clutch pedal...my leg felt like Jello...lol...and I had to relearn (just from a quick drive in the 93) the clutch pedal feel on it...oh how I loved that clutch :nice:

I got a clutch related question again...can a clutch slow you down and not slip?...I get the clutch burning smell when I get on it (3500-5800) and the car is slow to rev unlike it should be...something is holding me back and it is proportional to my clutch smell...

Also (I'm sure this is related to)...but when I get on it I feel a VERY slight jerk motion...like the clutch is grabbing and then not...it is very light and doesn't accelerate smoothly...probaby the driver would be the only one to notice...
 
#29
I got a clutch related question again...can a clutch slow you down and not slip?...I get the clutch burning smell when I get on it (3500-5800) and the car is slow to rev unlike it should be...something is holding me back and it is proportional to my clutch smell...

Also (I'm sure this is related to)...but when I get on it I feel a VERY slight jerk motion...like the clutch is grabbing and then not...it is very light and doesn't accelerate smoothly...probaby the driver would be the only one to notice...it happens around 4000rpm and up...

Its also weird on my 3rd gears midrange (2200-3500) feels weaker than my 4th gears midrange at the same rpm?
 
#30
Changed your tranny fluid lately? I'm not suggesting it has anything to do with that, but I do wonder what the state of your internals are- how hot the tranny is and what the burning smell may be coming from. Odd... is it making any noises? Clunks, grinds, etc- or did it ever before this problem started? Has 3rd always felt weaker than 4th in there, or did it come up more recently- maybe along with the other symptoms?
 
#31
stangbear427 said:
Changed your tranny fluid lately? I'm not suggesting it has anything to do with that, but I do wonder what the state of your internals are- how hot the tranny is and what the burning smell may be coming from. Odd... is it making any noises? Clunks, grinds, etc- or did it ever before this problem started? Has 3rd always felt weaker than 4th in there, or did it come up more recently- maybe along with the other symptoms?
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Tranny fluid was changed last December...it is still good...

I don't notice any clunks or grinds...and it just started after the h/c/i swap a few weeks back...the only noise I here is the usual T-5 whine but it did that before...

Well it just doesn't seem to have "torque" in the lower mid range like 4th does but once 3rd gear "builds" up when I start making power it pulls real strong...

The smell I get is the same smell (just not near as strong) as when you try to start off in 5th gear...(clutch)...
 
#33
5spd GT said:
The possibility of chatter is making me nervous from the Spec 1...I might just go with the King Cobra and risk the already hard pedal to even harder...
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if you have a stock clutch, it should be pretty much the weight of your leg to slam it down... and any aftermarket clutch may be too heavy. i have the king cobra and ricers used to think my stock clutch pedal was rediculous to push down. :sleep: haha hydrolic clutches.
 
#34
5spd GT said:
Basically I'm just asking can a clutch slow you down and not slip...
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Not in and of itself. Everything you've said points to slipping, except the slow revs. :scratch: So its been doing this ever since the H/C/I install, like, to the day? Have you talked to Ed about it? On a T5 the gear ratios seem to make a bigger jump from 2nd to 3rd than from 1st to 2nd or from 3rd to 4th, which has led to many complaints I've heard that 3rd gear is too high. I'd tend to agree, all my T5's over the years felt that way, and my TKO does too. Nothing as extreme as you're describing though, and those slow revs are really throwing me off. Sounds like you need to post your own thread on this problem and try to get some other attention to it.
 
#35
stangbear427 said:
Not in and of itself. Everything you've said points to slipping, except the slow revs. :scratch: So its been doing this ever since the H/C/I install, like, to the day? Have you talked to Ed about it? On a T5 the gear ratios seem to make a bigger jump from 2nd to 3rd than from 1st to 2nd or from 3rd to 4th, which has led to many complaints I've heard that 3rd gear is too high. I'd tend to agree, all my T5's over the years felt that way, and my TKO does too. Nothing as extreme as you're describing though, and those slow revs are really throwing me off. Sounds like you need to post your own thread on this problem and try to get some other attention to it.
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Well about the first week of my h/c/i install...it revved like it should...and I am assuming the clutch had taken enough of "abuse"...and then I started noticeing that it was going slower...and as I stated earlier I noticed that it seemed to stop VERY lightly and go up in the rpms but it kept going and I would probably be the only one to notice...it wasn't a smooth pull...I haven't talked to Ed...I don't know if it would relate to what he has did for me...my cam has just as much torque down low as my stock cam (if not more) and it really builds up as you go...I degreed the cam in...

Yeah 3rd gear is long compared to the other gears...

I did install a 190lph fuel pump about a week and a half after the h/c/i install...I can't see anything going wrong with that install...because I have been driving the car now for almost 3 weeks (everyday for 30 minute drives to and from)...and haven't notice anything bad...I remember some dirt got in the tank (more like dust) which is probably expected but I dont' think that would cause my problems...especially when I had a full tank when I was feeling the "stop"...so the chance of it getting dust in there to clog it up would be very slim...just throwing out another option...but before I did the fuel pump I noticed the clutch smell and I think the slow rev is related?
 
#36
a little late, but for anyone shopping for a nice clutch...

Hays, Jegs link

Holds 26x10.5 Et Streets from a 6000 launch.
Lighter pedal than stock, with more feel, modulation.
A little chatter when new, but soon goes away and leaves a nice modulatable clutch, not an on/off switch.
My wife (not a big girl) litterally likes this clutch better than the stock one... and so do I.
Also, there is no ridulas "break in" to it... dunno where Spec gets this stuff.
Mine was installed, driven 9 miles to the track, and hammered on all night, and drove home.
Never had an issue.
I also hear nothing but good about true McLeod setups.

For the spec folks, what I want to know is, how do the renegade cars and crap that are sponsor'd by Spec... how are they putting 400 easy miles on thier stip only cars before getting after it? LOL!
That's Spec's way of saying to the regular guy, it should work fine, but if it doesn't we'll hide behind the break-in procedure... nice.
My opinion, Spec sucks.
 
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