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7991LXnSHO

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manicmechanic007 said:
To each his own
I will not be running an EGR valve on mine
Any EGR at anytime is a power loss
Your info is simply not accurate.
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See post #3 in the linked thread for the low down from jrichker.
“The EGR shuts off at Wide Open Throttle (WOT), so it has minimal effect on performance.”
https://www.stangnet.com/mustang-forums/threads/egr-valve.738113/

Or there are other places that say the same.
“The EGR valve is normally closed. There is no EGR flow when the engine is cold, at idle, or during hard acceleration. The EGR flow is at its peak during steady cruising under moderate load.”

How Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR) system works

What is an Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR) system in a car and how it work works. How the EGR system flow is monitored
www.samarins.com

Now if you want to take it off for some weight and tune without it for a max race effort, that’s understandable. I think everything missing that was throwing codes and irritating the stock computer on my car when I saved it from the track, both smog and EGR, weighs about 8 lbs, not including the cats.
 

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On the subject of EGR valves my car asks "WTH is an EGR valve?"
 

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Here’s the actual EGR strategy from the A9x as written by Ford. We will ignore the “confidential and proprietary” statement and don’t ask questions

This section is 30 or so pages long so I just snapped the most relevant. As you can see, throttle condition is one of the criteria.



APT of part throttle is 0. Idle would be -1 and 1 is WOT. (This is explained on a different page) The only allowable condition to allow the EGR to function is part throttle, otherwise the system self-disables until the 0 condition is met.

More importantly, LOAD is a bigger part of the equation as to when the EGR is functioning. Even at part throttle, as the engine loads up (like going up a hill) the egr is commanded to disable. It would take 5 pages to show this.

In other words, when you need power it shuts off.

Also, just to add. If the EGR is disabled on the A9x, it also disabled “decel fuel shutoff” and “manual trans shift fuel shutoff” from the programming as well.

This doc is almost 600 pages of ECU function.
 
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General karthief

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manicmechanic007 said:
To each his own
I will not be running an EGR valve on mine
Any EGR at anytime is a power loss
Your info is simply not accurate
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Not applicable to the question, we are trying to id the part not debate what good/bad an egr does to performance.
 

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A lot of misconceptions of how "most" emissions system works. A properly operating EGR system does not hurt HP at any time, except for this caveat: If the EGR system makes the cylinder heads or Intake manifold less efficient, then yes, it can hurt HP. But usually never at PT.
 

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General karthief said:
Not applicable to the question, we are trying to id the part not debate what good/bad an egr does to performance.
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But the bad info and advice was brought up as a part of ID’ing the part. I know this is talk/general, but bad tech still a problem. It’s been addressed.
 

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I’m still curious what this part is. I’ve spent a good hour down the Google rathole. My 1986 EVTM is quiet on the 3.8L with regards to this.

I’ll have to check my chiltons. I always felt it was better with the early cars.
 
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@Boss_Stangs I searched for quite a while, not much info on these 3.8 cfi cars, even tried rockauto to see if I could match something, I don't have access to alldata anymore too.
i'll look more later.
 
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Mustang5L5 said:
I’m still curious what this part is. I’ve spent a good hour down the Google rathole. My 1986 EVTM is quiet on the 3.8L with regards to this.

I’ll have to check my chiltons. I always felt it was better with the early cars.
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Lol....i did the same. Not much info on the 3.8L.
 

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Does the car still have the emissions diagram sticker on the underside of the hood?
Some sort of manifold vacuum diaphragm thingamabob that I suspect is part of the emissions kit.
 
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It’s labeled as an “exhaust heat control valve”

However I can’t find any additional reference to it.

This is out of my Haynes manual for the 1986 3.8

 
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Here are more pics
 

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Boss_Stangs said:
Here are more pics
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Boss_Stangs said:
Here are more pics
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This is all I can find. Info on it is very lacking

  • 9G464 VALVE ASSY. (INTAKE MANIFOLD HEAT CONTROL)
 

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I think it is a vacuum pressure regulator.
 

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Bree said:
I think it is a vacuum pressure regulator.
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Bree, you may be confused on vacuum vrs pressure,
vacuum sucks
pressure blows
can't have it both ways
sorry
 

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Mustang5L5 said:
It’s labeled as an “exhaust heat control valve”

However I can’t find any additional reference to it.

This is out of my Haynes manual for the 1986 3.8

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You nailed it EFE heat riser control
 
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now that makes sense(@Mustang5L5)
...thanks everyone for your comments and responding. I've learned a lot about a few parts...
 

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General karthief said:
Bree, you may be confused on vacuum vrs pressure,
vacuum sucks
pressure blows
can't have it both ways
sorry
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Well, you know what i meant, It's a case of what I meant not what I actually said.... How about this regulates the amount of vacuum present.
 

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Bree said:
Well, you know what i meant, It's a case of what I meant not what I actually said.... How about this regulates the amount of vacuum present.
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Your a female, men are never sure what you mean
 
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