New intake?

NIKwoaC said:

Can't say I agree with any of this. There have been a jizzillion flow tests and dyno runs over the years that prove that there is very little performance difference between the 3 different styles of GT40-style upper intakes. Besides, if the upper was really the defining piece, guys like Tom Moss wouldn't find so much performance by porting the lowers.

It's a moot point though, because even ported, the lowers barely hang with the aftermarket intakes.

I don't doubt that you saw rpm gains from a box, not trying to dispute that. That's what boxes do. It's just a common misconception that the Explorer intake is somehow inferior to the other two.

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Jared Hess said:

So ur saying before i touch the intake get these heads some work and get a different cam? I didn't think the x cam was a baby cam for this setup. Checking my pvc putting this thing together i was just over the tolerances that i heard you were to have. Maybe I heard wrong or messed up checking my clearances. I can't remember exactly because I built this almost a year ago but I think I was told .1 and .08 or something like that?

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ratio411 said:

I'll have to find the flow charts online to make everyone happy I guess. (Not dyno test, but flow charts.)

The Tubular upper is the best flowing over a broad range.
The stock 94-95 upper is the next best performer (suprise!)
Next is the 93 upper.
Then the Exploder was somewhere between the 93 and the stock HO upper.

If I find that chart, I'll post it.

Yes, Tmoss does get plenty out of the lower, however, I am quoting Tmoss from a conversation we had when I say the GT40 lower is a great piece. Granted he may have been talking more about it's potential than it's stock form, but that's what he said. The aftermarket lowers don't really beat the GT40 lower, it's the uppers that make the difference.

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DuDNoTcH said:

i was just told by the same guy that provided this BS info that you cant go fast with a performer 289 intake..

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ratio411 said:

Good try...
You left out the fact that I said "without a power adder".
Lie much?

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DuDNoTcH said:

lol you do that. but i know for a fact that ''this'' head cam combo don't flow close to the ''MAX'' of any of those ''GT40'' style intakes...

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ratio411 said:

Don't put words in my mouth.
I said that if he was running a real Cobra upper, he was pretty much maxed out on the potential of the intake.
He wanted a better flowing intake, and if he told me he had an Exploder upper, I would have told him he had room to make the GT40 better with a real Cobra or tubular upper, but he didn't. Therefore, without porting, he was basically maxed out on the potential of that intake. I was not saying anything in relation to his engine. Get a life.

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DuDNoTcH said:

lol yeah now u change ur tune.. you said ''laws of phyics'' say you cant.. now the power adder made up for it??... your a clown.. go back into the bushes where u came from.

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ratio411 said:

I didn't change a thing.
YOU are misquoting me on purpose.

I am done here, this is someone else's thread.
You get the last word, but it will apparently be another lie.
My posts speak for themselves, and are a matter of record that anyone can go back and look at, and see that my words are not what you are quoting me as saying.

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Jared Hess said:

I wasn't disagreeing with anybody im just trying to get some info from here i relized these heads werent the best when i bought them but for $700 i didn't think i was going wrong with a 306 over stock e7 headsand an x over a b cam. I didn't have $1500 to put in afr heads and was trying to keep my build where if i wanted to i could make money off this car instead of losing my a$$. I'm pretty happy with it so far i'm hoping to run in the 12's which i don't think is out of the question since i ran mid 13s with ALOT less then what I have now. Right now the car runs awesome down the road its just my idle i was having trouble with. I have my build total right around 5 or 6k including buying the car. I'm actually just trying to learn some more cause I know i'll end up wanting bigger everybody does. So thanks for the info and don't think your hurting my feelings everybody has opinions.

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ratio411 said:

I'll have to find the flow charts online to make everyone happy I guess. (Not dyno test, but flow charts.)

The Tubular upper is the best flowing over a broad range.
The stock 94-95 upper is the next best performer (suprise!)
Next is the 93 upper.
Then the Exploder was somewhere between the 93 and the stock HO upper.

If I find that chart, I'll post it.

Yes, Tmoss does get plenty out of the lower, however, I am quoting Tmoss from a conversation we had when I say the GT40 lower is a great piece. Granted he may have been talking more about it's potential than it's stock form, but that's what he said. The aftermarket lowers don't really beat the GT40 lower, it's the uppers that make the difference.

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Jared Hess said:

I wasn't disagreeing with anybody im just trying to get some info from here i relized these heads werent the best when i bought them but for $700 i didn't think i was going wrong with a 306 over stock e7 headsand an x over a b cam. I didn't have $1500 to put in afr heads and was trying to keep my build where if i wanted to i could make money off this car instead of losing my a$$. I'm pretty happy with it so far i'm hoping to run in the 12's which i don't think is out of the question since i ran mid 13s with ALOT less then what I have now. Right now the car runs awesome down the road its just my idle i was having trouble with. I have my build total right around 5 or 6k including buying the car. I'm actually just trying to learn some more cause I know i'll end up wanting bigger everybody does. So thanks for the info and don't think your hurting my feelings everybody has opinions.

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