Not enough power... In 2005

one2gamble said:

your dreaming, the rx-8 barely runs in the 14's while the s2000 is usually a mid 14 second car. The GT is a low 14 second car that touches the high 13's on occasion. The 05 will be in the 13's while being thousands cheaper than either of those cars.

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RICKS said:

This thread is getting annoying. 1st off, I've driven several AWD cars, most impressive being a 2002 Carrera 4, and the AWD does indeed inspire a ton of confidence at the edge of grip in a corner when you're on the gas. It helps us every-day-Joe drivers drive faster easier. You've heard of traction control, and yaw control, think of AWD as f***-up control. It makes driving fast easier and more accessible, but it doesn't mean that the car is going to BE much faster when pushed at its limits by a driver who knows how to manage the limits with 2 wheels providing the power. For example, note that the Porsche 911 Turbo is AWD, HOWEVER, you can't ignore that for the two race-prepped and light-weight variants of that chassis the GT2 and GT3, Porsche REMOVES the AWD in favor or RWD, and that's what they race with. AWD makes Dr. Snooty Snoot feel like a pro on the way to his tee time without pitching the car into the weeds, but RWD is what they go with for the race cars. The Ferrari Enzo is RWD, the Porsche GT is RWD, Mercedes SLR, etc.etc... If you want AWD, the EVO is an excellent choice, but I'm not seeing any market for an AWD Mustang. Also, my latest Motor Trend tested the new hottest EVO, and ran an impressive 13.3, at a very UNIMPRESSIVE 102.2 mph through the traps. Conclusion? With AWD you can scream off the line with traction. But after the 0-60 sprint, you get sucked up and spit out by Mach 1's and Cobras like you're dragging a parachute, which you practically are, driving 4 wheels and with all that air-damming to feed the intercoolers on those alien-looking Mitsu's. I'm done now talking about these 4-door rally-wannabe cars, as it's plain stoopid to compare them to the Mustang as the Mustang target-market could give a rat's patooty about how well you can drift on a dirt road (everybody breathes a sigh of relief). And this whining about 300 h.p. not being enough for the GT. Enough already. The '04 Mach 1's have "only" 305 h.p. (factory published), and run low 13's @ 105-106 mph stock. Obviously, Ford is underrating the h.p. figures. None of these high hp/cc cars like the S2000 or RX-8 come within more than a second of the Mach's performance. People want a torquey american V8 in their Mustang, not a high-winding no-bottom end hornet's nest. Besides, comparing a conventional piston motor to a Rotary is retarded, you may as well compare nuclear power to coal. Do you want a rotary in your Mustang?? The new GT is just what it needs to be. It'll be alot of performance and style for the money, which has traditionally been the successful recipe for the Mustang. You add more power, then you need a stronger tranny and rear end and clutch, and you can expect more warranty expense from driveline abuse. $$$. For most people, for the masses of people that will be buying GT's, what they are getting is more than enough to get their dollars. And Ford will cook up some hotter (and more expensive, speed isn't free) models for us minority power-junkies who want it. Think about the 2004 Cobra. It runs mid-12's, and is easily modified to run 11's, HUGE numbers, incredible power. And dealers had to literally BEG and PLEAD to sell off their remaining inventories this summer, with some dealers letting them go for $28K and some change, on a limited-production vehicle. Wake up people, huge horsepower doesn't necessarily sell cars. We power-nuts are not a large market. So pull your head out of the sand and use some business sense. Ford's really hit the bulls-eye IMHO with the '05 GT. Besides, nobody's even seen a road test yet!! In any event the standard GT will most likely run high 13's, which is on-par with a stock 1969 428 Cobra Jet Mach 1!!!! Are we getting spoiled in this latest horsepower war, or what? If you're so admiring of the Japanese engines, go and test drive some of those cars. You'll see that you're comparing apples to oranges in a big way. The 350Z is Japan's closest attempt to building a torquey Mustang-like car, and it's a fairly tame ride. Look at Nissan and Toyota's attempts to build V8's for their trucks that compete with the U.S.. Toyota flat-out isn't in the game, and Nissan's 5.4 is no more powerful than Chrysler's 5.7 or Chevy's 5.7, in fact it's less, and is only marginally more powerful than Ford's 5.4. Tell the Japanese to make torque, and all of a sudden the whole h.p. per liter thing that they embrace falls apart, and they find themselves facing the same challenges that Ford/GM/DC does...

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jadesville said:

That has to be the most impressive backup to a statement ive heard in a while.

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