Ordered my first true mod...

MeanGreen said:

Longtubes on a stock motor = Slooooooooooooooooow

Get some Shorty headers instead for right now. If it were me I would get the Offroad H-pipe to go with your catback and some 3:73 Gears to wake it up

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longtubes are proven to see better gains.. and unless he doesnt plan on going very far with that motor, i figure he'll need em.. im runnin long tubes, catless H, and flows w/ dumps on the 85.. stock motor to with gears and a shifter

MeanGreen said:

Longtubes on a stock motor = Slooooooooooooooooow

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i beg to differ. Youll see more torque and power all through the band. Only complaint about them is the are a PITA to install.

I have a BBK catted X with about 3k miles on it I will sell cheap, $150 + shipping

Not too hard. Just time consuming. Itll take a couple hours. And a lot of cursing. Itll require a new x or h pipe as it is significantly shorter distance between the headers and mufflers.

I put long tubes on and love it. They are a pain to put in but not bad if you take your time and go at it right. Makes getting to the starter a breeze on my car, and gave me a ton of improvement over shorties and a catted H. Personally if you dont mind putting them in Id say go with them, cant go wrong!

Long Tubes FTMFL... Equal lengths FTMFL... imho anyway.

Burns everything up under the hood.

I think he means for the ********ng loss, which is his opinion. I went 13.8 @ 99 with Mac shorties and a Mac catted H. I bought some $100 used Mac LTs, and a Mac Prochamber ($230 new), added some pulleys and went back to the track (had not been or really even driven the car in that time). The track conditions were very similar, same track, same tires etc... Car went 13.2 @ 101. The actual seat of the pants feel was actually impressive. Before doing this the car felt quick would spin first and spin some into second, after the LTs the car would tear second up even from any kind of roll and would actually spin into third more than ever before, not to mention the shift light came on faster.

I also have never burned anything up. Never a clutch cable, never a starter, never plug wires, and the LTs hold the header bolts a LOT better than the shorties ever did!

Granted take my experience as one in a million, same with all of them. The most we can do is tell yuo what we prefer and share what we have seen with or without the parts. I got lucky and the car woke right up with the LTs, and since then has been running decent numbers, but some just have headache after headache and dont prefer them!

93LX-HOPE2B said:

Lots of great info, thank you

I still think I'm going to go with the long tubes because even though some might think its a pain, I like to work on the car, and don't really care how long it takes to do it right...I want as much power as I can get pretty much. When buying headers do they usually come with the gaskets and bolts needed....stupid question I know but I really have no clue..

Another question that comes to mind are the O2 sensors....do I just take them out of the stock pipes and re-install them onto the new long tubes? I know on some cars you need extentions or some kind of adapter maybe?

25th, You went 13.8 @99 with just those small mods, and a 13.2 @ 101 with just the exhaust? I hope I can come close to your times because that must be some good driving. What tires did u have out back and what was your short time if you don't mind me asking?:SNSign: I still have the 225's out back and they don't hook at all really. I do have new 245's sitting in my moms living room waiting to be changed out.

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he's a hell of a driver, and has some very well synched stock parts

Well I went 13.8 @ 99 with a Cobra intake, TB, CAI, headers, midpipe, catback and 3.73s (on a 26x10.5 ET Street).

Ran the 13.2 that day, later in the year ran 13.0 @ 103 with the same stuff and the LTs, Prochamber, and pulleys.

Then had the GT40 valves dropped in, and a MAF and went 12.5 @ 106. I like to abuse the car at the track a little!