Did that make it a Temptrous?
Did that make it a Temptrous?I put Nitrous on a Tempo once....
lol
Did that make it a Temptrous?
Anytime I ever had problems with mine, that's the very first thing i did, dump codes. The problem with obd1 is HALF the freakin time the codes it spits out are bogus. ?
I won't argue with you that sometimes electronics go crazy, but it's a start when it comes with troubleshooting efi cars.
I've personally never had an issue dumping codes on mine and getting a legit code. I won't argue that some have trouble, but when working right it's a great tool.
Using Forscan and my phone and wifi dongle, I can access pretty much every module on my taurus and see every switch and circuit. Having trouble with my door switch? Well I can pull it up and open the door and see on my phone if the BCM is seeing it open and close. It does more than that but just an example.
Getting off topic with the newer cars, but my point was if the system works, and you know how to use it, it can be a powerful tool.
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Nothing works right in FloridaThats earth one and earth two, right? Not Florida.
Same. This place is another planet altogetherYea, and I live here.
I don't think my point was ever about efi being superior to carb. I'm actually indifferent to the subject.
I really think i was just trying to make a point about general troubleshooting methodology on an efi car vs randomly tossing parts at it.
The carb vs efi debate is one I try to stay away from. I prefer efi but I don't think it's superior. They each have pros and cons
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I'm still standing by my original complaint. Whether you have an ecu and have the option to run codes or even a distributor, hell, I'll make it easier than that, a 1 cyl scooter engine. The posts that disgust me want no part in doing proper diagnostics or system of elimination to rule out probable cause. They want an answer regurgitated to them so they can go outside point to part "x" and magically have the problem resolve itself. To truly fix something and keep it fixed without running to the shop you have to learn how the damn thing works and what everything on the engine does. Asking for help and then balking at the first obvious step because you don't think that's it is never the answer and that is all I see in those fb groups every single day.
He's one of many that have come in here demanding an answer and refusing to accept it when he got it. My other favorite was the guy that claimed he had been running forever with no O2s but that can't be the reason his car refused to run correctly.Remember the sn95 guy with the broken spring?
He's one of many that have come in here demanding an answer and refusing to accept it when he got it. My other favorite was the guy that claimed he had been running forever with no O2s but that can't be the reason his car refused to run correctly.
I remember when he posted pics of his set up there was an inch and a half of the American southwest covering every inch of engine. That couldn't have been it either.Aw man. I remember that one. I think we all tried to tell him that was impossible. Major facepalm.
Something you have to realize is that a lot of guys ( like me ) bought MS because its the best bang for the buck. Anyone going into Megasquirt has to understand its not simple, but it allows someone to learn how their car runs on a completely different level. A lot of these things pop up for sale, incomplete, because people don't have realistic goals. And others just ran out of funds and time. MS is marketed for the average Joe.....because of that a lot of people take risks and ish happens.... That's not the fault of MS....its the individual that bought it....and his/her circumstance. Its not for everybody just like green chili.Maybe it's just because of the great resources here, but code tracing hasn't really been a problem for me. Yeah, it may just be a simple "Right bank lean" or "ECT out of range" or something like that and not tell you WHY it's reading that way and actually makes you troubleshoot a bit, but 9x out of 10 for me it's been a mechanical issue (usually something not hooked up right after fiddling with something else nearby) rather than a just bad sensor. Maybe that only gives it the slightest edge of finding where a problem is over a carb, but it's still an edge.
To me, the biggest problem with the factory 80's/90's efi is a new(er) problem: the lackluster quality of modern aftermarket parts (tfi and other distributor parts especially) and the unavailbility of OE parts. Again, another industry wide problem that affects anything old enough to not have OE support regardless of what type of fueling it uses, and regardless of if said part is electrical or mechanical in nature.
And I've seen a few guys in here with aftermarket efi that praise the carb glory days, and most seem to be running megasquirt and it makes me want to ask "Why?" Sure it's cheap, you can build it 100% on your own, or just buy a plug-n-play (which, other than the datalogging capability and laptop tuning is actually a bit of step backwards since anything before ms3 can't do sequential fueling), but from what I've seen, by it's nearly open-source nature, the support and feature implementation is just not there like it is for systems like Holley, BS3, Fast and even the basic TBI systems like Fitech (whole 'nother can-o-worms there). And I know the MS stuff is probably more popular for the kind of crowd we have here than any of those, but I also see way more unfinished MS systems that end up going to a back to a carb or a modded factory efi (or just plain giving up and selling the whole project) than I see of if happening with the "big names"
EFI is great.. any and all efi is greater than carb, period... and doing a carb swap on an efi car is, well, retarded.
I completely agree!
I also have a better understanding of how the media works now
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