P.M.S help

[VibrantRedGT]

Guys I need some help. I bought my PMS a year ago. I just got around to installing it. It's now asking me for a pass code. This is a feature thats in there so people can't mess with the settings. Well the guy I bought it from doesn't know the pass code because he bought it off Ebay.

Does anyone know how to override this feature? I have a post on stangtuning.com about this. I also emailed doug@efisystems and brian@afm. I haven't heard from these guys yet.

 

[miley_stang]

Just call AFM on the phone, I'm sure they will help you out!

 

[blksn955.o]

I have heard it takes a little time for the guys at AFM to get back/takes a bit of calling to get ahold of them....but once you do they take great care of you.

Keep us posted on how it works out for you...I know you moved from a tweecer to the PMS. I love my tweecer but am always wanting to know more about what is out there...and people dont seem to post much about it as far as getting deep into tuning with it.

 

[greenlantern]

I just bought a PMS. I'll let you guys know how it goes.

 

[VibrantRedGT]

I talked to [email protected] today and sent him my purple box. He's going to reset everything back to zero for me (no charge). Should have it back next week sometime.

 

[nmcgrawj]

Sounds good. I love my PMS. Its SOO EASY to use. WHat model do u have? I have the pre04 and i dont know if they have the "lock" feature.

 

[Grn92LX]

Sounds good. I love my PMS. Its SOO EASY to use. WHat model do u have? I have the pre04 and i dont know if they have the "lock" feature.

They do have the passcode feature. I think its in the set up menu but I forget. I didn't use the passcode.

 

[VibrantRedGT]

Mine is the 03 version black box style. I'll be changing to the new one though. I just went to AFM's site and downloaded the user manual for the new one. It has more features then the old one. Has 500rpm incriment fuel tables, water temp adjustments and other stuff over the box style. Both have the pass code feature.

 

[nmcgrawj]

Mine is the 03 version black box style. I'll be changing to the new one though. I just went to AFM's site and downloaded the user manual for the new one. It has more features then the old one. Has 500rpm incriment fuel tables, water temp adjustments and other stuff over the box style. Both have the pass code feature.

Cool, i plan on upgrading one of these days too

 

[VibrantRedGT]

PMS is in finally. Doug zero-ed everything out so I'm starting from scratch.

The car won't run now. I need a base tune. I've looked over on stangtuning.com but can't seem to find a 347 N/A in a 94. Maybe you guys with the unit can get me riding again.

 

[94TURBO5 O]

Damn I wish I could help you bro but I just learned the 04 version so far.
Hurry up and upgrade!

 

[nmcgrawj]

The 04 version isnt that different as far as the tunes go. Just all the extra features i think.

I would give you my tune for my 351 in my 95. But 1, my car is in pieces and i never wrote the tune down. And 2, my maf was a POS and would probably be wayyy off anyway.

Whats it not doing? Not idling? Have you postedon stangtuning.com? Look in the programs section, i can almost guarantee there is a tune in there.

 

[nmcgrawj]

This should get you in the ballpark. I know it will be different between a fox and a 94-95 but i think it should atleast get you close.

Year model: 1991
Engine cubic inch:342
Power Adder/NA: none tuned in yet
Amount of boost/nitrous:unk
Intake: milled and port matched Holley SystemaxII
Throttle Body:75mm BBK
Mass Air Meter: 83mm ProM normal cal for 38lb
Intake Piping: AFM 4" power pipe
Cylinder Head & rockers:AFR185, milled 53cc, 1.6SVO
Camshaft profile:AFM N65
Injector Size:38lb Lucas
FMU type:none
Header size/type:1.75"long tubeSVO, 2.5 x pipe, Spintech side exit
Fuel Pump(s):255in tank, Trex external
Rails:Cartech
Supply/Return Line size:twin-6 feed, single -6 return
Fuel type:91 octane+NOS Racing Formula Octane Booster
Misc: MKVII electric fan, AFM aluminum flywheel, AFM high rev clutch kit, AFM Innovator's West balancer, old PMS, InterACQ, PLX wideband kit 378rwhp@5900/378rwtq@4000

IDLE Control On/Off:OFF
fuel:-6%
timing:-2*
start-up fuel:-50%
idle air adjuster: ----
Low Load (Fuel first & Timing second, PrL/Pr2/Pr3/Pr4)
2000rpm:0% & -8* /0% & -5* /0% & 0* /0% & 0*
2500rpm:0% & 0* /0% & 0* /0% & 0* /0% & +0*
3000rpm:0% & 0* /0% & 0* /0% & 0* /0% & +0*
3500rpm:0% & 0* /0% & 0* /0% & 0* /0% & +0*
4000rpm:0% & 0* /0% & 0* /0% & 0* /0% & 0*
4500rpm:0% & 0* /0% & 0* /0% & 0* /0% & 0*
5000rpm:0% & 0* /0% & 0* /0% & 0* /0% & 0*
5500rpm:0% & 0* /0% & 0* /0% & 0* /0% & +0*
6000rpm:0% & 0* /0% & 0* /0% & 0* /0% & +0*
6500rpm:0% & 0* /0% & 0* /0% & 0* /0% & +0*
7000rpm:0% & 0* /0% & 0* /0% & 0* /0% & +0*
7500rpm:0% & 0* /0% & 0* /0% & 0* /0% & +0*
Medium Load (Fuel first & Timing second PrM/Pr5/Pr6/Pr7)
2000rpm:+ 0% &+7*/+ 8% &+7*/+ 8% &+7*/+ 8% &+7*
2500rpm:+ 0%&+7*/+10%&+7*/+10%&+7*/+10%&+7*
3000rpm:+ 0%&+7*/+12%&+7*/+12%&+7*/+12%&+7*
3500rpm:+ 0%&+7*/+14%&+7*/+14%&+7*/+14%&+7*
4000rpm:+ 0%& +7*/+16%&+7*/+16%&+7*/+16% &+7*
4500rpm:+ 0%&+ 7*/+14%&+7*/+14%&+7*/+14% &+7
5000rpm:+ 0%& +7*/+12%&+7*/+12%&+7*/+12% &+1
5500rpm:+ 0%&+7*/+10%&+7*/+10%&+7*/+10%&+7*
6000rpm:+ 0%&+7*/+ 8%&+7*/+ 8%&+7*/+ 8%&+7*
6500rpm:+ 0%&+7*/+ 8%&+7*/+ 8%&+7*/+ 8%&+7*
7000rpm:+ 0%&+7*/+ 8%&+7*/+ 8%&+7*/+ 8%&+7*
7500rpm:+ 0%&+7*/+ 8%&+7*/+ 8%&+7*/+ 8%&+7*
High Load (Fuel first & Timing second)
2000rpm: +10% & +7*
2500rpm: +10% & +7*
3000rpm: +10% & +7*
3500rpm: +12% & +7*
4000rpm: +12% & +7*
4500rpm: +12% & +7*
5000rpm: +10% & +7*
5500rpm: + 8% & +7*
6000rpm: + 8% & +7*
6500rpm: + 6% & +7*
7000rpm: + 6% & +7*
7500rpm: + 6% & +7*
WOT (Fuel first & Timing second)
2000rpm: +10% & +7*
2500rpm: +10% & +7*
3000rpm: +10% & +7*
3500rpm: +12% & +7*
4000rpm: +12% & +7*
4500rpm: +12% & +7*
5000rpm: +10% & +7*
5500rpm: + 8% & +7*
6000rpm: + 8% & +7*
6500rpm: + 6% & +7*
7000rpm: + 6% & +7*
7500rpm: + 6% & +7*
Standalone On/Off:ON
Standalone On at 25% TPS and 2500rpm
Base Ratio for standalone 12.6
Initial timing 10*
Base timing 16*
Total timing (initial+base)=26*
Rev Limiter:6900

Accel SENS: 1
Accel RCVR: 5

Accel Tables (Fuel first & Timing second)
2000rpm: 0% & -9*
2500rpm: 0% & -9*
3000rpm: 0% & 0*
3500rpm: 0% & 0*
4000rpm: 0% & 0*
4500rpm: 0% & 0*
5000rpm: 0% & 0*
5500rpm: 0% & 0*
6000rpm: 0% & 0*
6500rpm: 0% & 0*
7000rpm: 0% & 0*
7500rpm: 0% & 0*

Water Temperature (Fuel first & Timing second)
-10* +30% & +6*
0* +22% & +6*
30* +14% & +6*
60* +6% & +6*
90* +0% & +6*
120* +0% & +6*
150* +0% & +0*
190* 0 & 0
250* 0 & 0


Here is the thread: http://stangtuning.com/showthread.php?t=875&highlight=342

This is the famous "Gary"(gw342) tune on his 342. Good luck and post back with your problems. I learned to problem solve as did JR im sure and Mike(grn92lx).

GOOD LUCK!

 

[VibrantRedGT]

Thanks man, I'll start with that. The car idles for a few minutes then it surges and dies. Like I mentioned everything is zeroed. I've been reading a lot and I will get this down. For now I'm just looking for a starting point. I'll try the one above then play with it until its all good.

In the Programs section on stangtuning for some reason I can't find all the posts. I tried changing the format to "All Threads" but I still only get just a few.

Oh and it looks as if the above tune is with the newer version since its done in 500rpm incriments. Should I still use it?

 

[nmcgrawj]

Thanks man, I'll start with that. The car idles for a few minutes then it surges and dies. Like I mentioned everything is zeroed. I've been reading a lot and I will get this down. For now I'm just looking for a starting point. I'll try the one above then play with it until its all good.

In the Programs section on stangtuning for some reason I can't find all the posts. I tried changing the format to "All Threads" but I still only get just a few.

Oh and it looks as if the above tune is with the newer version since its done in 500rpm incriments. Should I still use it?

Well Mike(grn92lx) asked about having to "re-do" his tune if he upgraded to a 04 and Troy said that he wouldnt have to. Obviously there are more data points but i think if you just hit the points you need for the older PMS, that the PMS should handle the inbetween and have it close to the 04 tune, but probably not exact.

 

[Redsnk95]

Joe just hit the anchor points...2200, 4000, 6000, 7800. Try playing with the unit some more this weekend if you are still having some problems then monday afternoon you can give me a call at the shop and I can work with you over the phone.

Basically (without a wideband), you want the 02 readings and swing from R and L back and forth in an even fashion. This means you are close to stoichmetric...aka 14.7:1 which you want at Idle and Part Throttle. The stock EEC settings should be able to handle the part throttle stuff. I would mainly focus on Idle and WOT. I don't know how radical your cam is so you might need to do some work on the low rpm part throttle stuff. We can go by the O2 readings at WOT as well to get a good baseline. Also be sure to use the same settings that you have in WOT in the High Load tables just incase of a small TPS problem. Also be sure your Idle adjustments are made when the motor is up to operating temp.

I will be out on the boat all day tomorrow, I will be back home around 8pm tomorrow if you need help or we can work through it on the phone on monday. Just let me know, you have my email.

Troy

 

[VibrantRedGT]

Been playing with it for the last hour or so. Car won't stay running. Its basically surging and stalling now. I used close to Gary's tune above. I can't get it out of the garage though so I can't say that anything has worked. Right now I'm still dealing with an idle issue. An issue I've never had before. Bit frustrated I can't drive the car.

 

[nmcgrawj]

Been playing with it for the last hour or so. Car won't stay running. Its basically surging and stalling now. I used close to Gary's tune above. I can't get it out of the garage though so I can't say that anything has worked. Right now I'm still dealing with an idle issue. An issue I've never had before. Bit frustrated I can't drive the car.

Describe what its doing exactly. Idles for 30 seconds, surges and dies? Have you played with idle control? What are the o2's saying?

I know how u feel, but once u get the hang of it, things will click and you'll be tuning with your eyes closed.

 

[VibrantRedGT]

Right now its surging all the time. It will sometimes die. I've been messing with the idle for awhile with not so great results. What do I want the O2's to read?

 

[nmcgrawj]

Right now its surging all the time. It will sometimes die. I've been messing with the idle for awhile with not so great results. What do I want the O2's to read?

You want the o2's to be switching back and forth from "R" to "L" or rich to lean back and forth continuously. This shows you are at or around the 14.7:1 ratio thats wanted. This rule applies to cruising also. You can also change menus to get to the actual #'s for each o2 and it should go from high(80-90) to low (0-10).


So if its surging try to see what the o2's are saying. At this point, you wont hurt anything by adding a ton of fuel...or by taking away a ton. I used to do that in the beginning just to try to get an idea of what the car wants. I want to say that surging = a rich condition...but im not sure.