Performer heads + custom cam

mytight95 · Jan 22, 2006

Well kinda like it states in the title, does anyone have the performer heads with a custom cam, or only off the shelf grinds. I was looking at flow numbers between the AFR 165's, and the new performers, they are really similar...

Anyone think it is possible to put down over 300 to the tires with a set of these, they will be on a fresh 306 with a compression of 10.5:1 with a 62 cc head.

opinions, thoughts etc. on this?

I swapped on ported stockers with large valves etc. a while back , i shoulda just ordered the ones i wanted then.....

thanks

Jason

Rootus · Jan 22, 2006

I'd imagine you could hit 300 peak horsepower with those heads. Heck, you can do that with GT40P's . What you're getting with a high end set of heads is power across the board. AFR165's, for example, are well known for having very good velocity, which promotes low end torque, and maintaining good flow at the top end for peak power. Flow numbers are a hard way to compare different heads.

mytight95 · Jan 22, 2006

i haven't been able to find a dyno sheet with the "new" performers, and a custom cam, i searched google etc. last night for around 3 hours........

jason

Joes95GT · Jan 22, 2006

I have Performers on a stock shortblock with an FTI cam and a ported GT40. No dyno numbers, and I don't want them.

I will have track times come this summer though.

Joe

mytight95 · Jan 22, 2006

you honestly aren't gonna dyno it? How does it feel.... kinda trying to judge you know..

jason

nmcgrawj · Jan 22, 2006

Get the best heads you can get for your dollar. Then design the VERY BEST combo around the heads. That way, you wont be sorry after.

If you cant afford AFR's and can get a good deal on the Eddy's, get the eddy's, get a custom cam, and a good matching intake and run it.

The key to success is not necessarily one specific head....its having a package that is put together well.

mytight95 · Jan 22, 2006

i think i have chosen my head, that is why i ask about the numbers..... i really wish i could find some dyno numbers with a custom cam for the heads....

I figure with my performer intake, these heads, and a custom cam to utilize every bit of potential..(especially with the new longblock)... Only other thing i am planning on for my car is probably a shot of nitrous after the new motor is complete...probably gonna have it setup before new motor goes in though

jason

final5-0 · Jan 22, 2006

Jason

Based on what I learned from my combo

I have no doubt I could do quite a bit better and give up no or very little drivability if I was to do it all over again.

If the Edels work at least as good as AFR's then you should be able to do the same IMHO.

If you're gonna go custom

You need to be talking to your cam guy for his knowledge .............

After all ...... Your Paying For It

Grady

mytight95 · Jan 22, 2006

they were closed today......lol

Has anyone heard of Buddy Rawls.... he seems to be really reasonable.... I was thinking of FTI, but i know he has all kinds of flow numbers etc on AFR's, didn't know if he put together a lot of Edelbrock combos....

any other grinders?

jason

nmcgrawj · Jan 22, 2006

Buddy is pretty popular with the guys on corral. Jay allen, ed c, buddy, hitech motorsports, cam motion.

I think if i changed cam guys again i would try hitech out.

VibrantRedGT · Jan 22, 2006

I believe buddy still posts on www.hardcore50.com with Ed and Jay Allen. Seems all the cam guys hang there.

The Edelbrocks with a custom cam will put you well over the 300HP range with a 306 at 10:1.

wytstang · Jan 22, 2006

I can't remembers the members name here but a cobra owner here puts down just under 300rwhp using the crane 2031/e-brock head/intake IIRC.

mytight95 · Jan 22, 2006

VibrantRedGT said:
The Edelbrocks with a custom cam will put you well over the 300HP range with a 306 at 10:1.

now thats what i wanna hear....

I will lookup, and read reviews etc. of those guys posted etc... i will base my decision on the information i find... thanks for the names.... I have heard of cammotion

jason

mytight95 · Jan 22, 2006

i think five o tony or somehthing like that is a member here and has the above combo... with the crane 2031 i cant remember though

jason

wytstang · Jan 22, 2006

No it wasn't fiveOtony it wa more liek 94whitecobra or something to that effect. I did find this in the FAQ section (n/a section):
EDELBROCK HEADS / FRPP E303 CAM / EDELBROCK INTAKE
Steve DeGrave (SmokingGT50)-95 Mustang GT Opal Frost-307 HP / 316 TQ

wytstang · Jan 22, 2006

Found him.....
WHITEDEVIL:
1995 White Mustang GT 5spd
Edelbrock Performer 5.0 Heads
Edelbrock Performer RPM Intake Manifold
Crane 2031 Cam
TwEECer R/T
TKO-500 w/ Spec 1 Clutch
And all the usual bolt ons
60ft:1.97-> 12.94@107.25
298rwhp 326rwtq
J.P.(John)

mytight95 · Jan 22, 2006

smokin made 307 316 with the off the shelf cam, i should be able to at least mimic this correct?

thanks for your effort BTW

jason

wytstang · Jan 23, 2006

It's possible to mimic but as you already know no two cars are a like. You may make more or less but if you look at WHITEDEVILS combo he's making more tq (10) using the 2031 cam and self tunning (not sure what smoking used).

95snoozer · Jan 23, 2006

nmcgrawj said:

The key to success is not necessarily one specific head....its having a package that is put together well.

Click to expand...

AMEN!

My car traps 109+ full weight, It is all about putting together a good combo. Mine is a combo of parts many people would shun and suggest against on this forum.

edelbrock heads
comp cam + 1.7s
Ported Performer

a recipe for 300+/ 330+

final5-0 · Jan 23, 2006

Jason

I could not agree more about combos that look similar when you compare the parts used but the end resusts do not look similar.

Its all about the attention to details IMHO.

A great example is in fact Mr. Snooze Man.
He has one of the nicest looking set of dyno curves of any Ford oem iron head combo I have seen.

Jason, I have an Excell file that has a few combos from these forums that I use to compare dyno curves from time to time.

I have used the charts provided by the combo owners that were posted on the forums for my source data. I did not have the numerical values for most of the charts so I had to guess a bit at the values I used to build my file.

Having said that ...............

I took John's (White Devil) and Dave's (Hariry Canary/Rootus) combos and did a simple comparison.

Again ... To John & Dave ... I had to guess at the values a bit but I don't think I am too far from the correct values. If either of you take issue with this ... Please Speak Up so we can correct any error here.

Jason, I chose these two combos due to the fact one had Edel heads and the other had AFR's.

Hope this gives you some help with your decision Jason

Grady

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