Roush Projected Future for Saleens

SGOODRIC50 · Jun 26, 2005

Do I understand this correctly?

Shelby Mustangs of the late 60's and early 70's were manufactured similar to the way saleens are produced today correct?

Therefore, are Saleens going to be as valuable in 30-40 years as the Shelbys are now?

Acheron315 · Jun 26, 2005

Probably the rarer ones could get there, but not your average "New Edge" style one (1999-2004 years), just because so many have been produced. But who knows what the market will be like in 30-40 years?

marcus95 · Jun 28, 2005

That's a tough call.

Shelby only produced around 562 cars the first year 1965. Then into the thousands every year after until 1970 when only around 636 some odd cars were sold. If you compared year by year, I believe Shelby production far exceeds Saleen mustang production however Saleen is still going strong now.

OK,

look at it this way. From 1965-1970 Shelby produced around 14,400 cars.

From 1984-2003 Saleen has produced around 7,475 cars.

He is pumping out the 05's, I think I heard production stopped around 1,300??? Dennis, Mike??

Anyway, Saleen will never have the race history success that Shelby had. It would be better for collector status if he went out of business soon but I will be a very old man by the time my S351 is worth anything what a 1967 GT500 is worth today. Much better off buying property.

ok, crazy but look. A 1967 GT500 retail price $4195. Let's just say a decent 67GT500 driver can fetch around $125-130k right now. I know there are some that are less and more ( Barrett Jackson ) but I'm just averaging. That's a 3000% change in price.
My sticker on my S351 was $58k back in 1995. If you apply the same nums in 30 years you could say a S351 could go for $1,800,000. Nuts huh? I dunno. I say go buy a house.

Later.

saleenster · Jun 28, 2005

marcus95 said:
That's a tough call.

Shelby only produced around 562 cars the first year 1965. Then into the thousands every year after until 1970 when only around 636 some odd cars were sold. If you compared year by year, I believe Shelby production far exceeds Saleen mustang production however Saleen is still going strong now.

OK,

look at it this way. From 1965-1970 Shelby produced around 14,400 cars.

From 1984-2003 Saleen has produced around 7,475 cars.

He is pumping out the 05's, I think I heard production stopped around 1,300??? Dennis, Mike??

Anyway, Saleen will never have the race history success that Shelby had. It would be better for collector status if he went out of business soon but I will be a very old man by the time my S351 is worth anything what a 1967 GT500 is worth today. Much better off buying property.

ok, crazy but look. A 1967 GT500 retail price $4195. Let's just say a decent 67GT500 driver can fetch around $125-130k right now. I know there are some that are less and more ( Barrett Jackson ) but I'm just averaging. That's a 3000% change in price.
My sticker on my S351 was $58k back in 1995. If you apply the same nums in 30 years you could say a S351 could go for $1,800,000. Nuts huh? I dunno. I say go buy a house.

Later.

Very intresting way to look at it.

My thoughts are somewhat foggy as well. I believe because there is a demand to some degree for the Saleen Mustang in nearly every yr of production with the exception of the 85~86 and 96~98 S281 non cobra saleens, the price will maintain a decent ceiling for them. I agreee with Marcus, for the collector reason only...it would be good for Saleen to discontinue production ASAP, but dont think that will happen anytime soon. Any yr S351, SA10, SSC, and SC cars will command top dollar if they are well taken care of. There are a few 'one off cars' that will also bring top dollar. Last note worthly of mentioning, of all the major tuners ie Roush, Steeda, etc. Saleen is best known so they should always bring more value then them, and thats not to say they dont make a good product, they are just not as well known to the general public/buyer.

s351rspeedster · Jun 28, 2005

marcus95 said:
He is pumping out the 05's, I think I heard production stopped around 1,300??? Dennis, Mike???

Hey Marcus, does this answer your question??? It was at Mossy Ford on Sunday......At least they got the color right, it was a white convertible

marcus95 · Jun 28, 2005

s351rspeedster said:
Hey Marcus, does this answer your question??? It was at Mossy Ford on Sunday......At least they got the color right, it was a white convertible

That is insane. I have never seen a four digit bumper number before. It looks very strange to me. Anyone else?

lgndracer · Jun 28, 2005

So now you have to pay at least $43K for a not-so limited production Mustang?
What was the biggest production in a year before now?

Around here, you used to never see Saleens. I used to see about 3 or 4 other than mine running around my area, all different years and body styles. But I have already seen about five or six of the new ones driving around. So much for "Power in the Hands of a Few".

Head Paneer · Jun 28, 2005

marcus95 said:
That is insane. I have never seen a four digit bumper number before. It looks very strange to me. Anyone else?

Strange how? Beacause there are four digits instead of two or three?

When we were at the Saleen open house in April, we saw bumper numbers in the high 600s. They are churning cars out of two US facilities. Do the Canadian cars come from Detroit and are they included in the same numbering sequence or do they get something like an 05-XXXX-C number? You ask the Saleen guys and they will tell you they have the capacity to make 2,000+ cars per year right these days.

2005 will be a not-so-limited production year comparred to past years. I think some boom in production may be do to customers holding off buying a Saleen until the ‘05s were available. Mossy Ford still has a couple ‘04s on their lot and they are discounting very deeply.

RandyA · Jun 28, 2005

saleenster said:
My thoughts are somewhat foggy as well. I believe because there is a demand to some degree for the Saleen Mustang in nearly every yr of production with the exception of the 85~86

Why the prejudice against the 85-86 cars? I have seen them going for some decent numbers since I have been following them. There were only 344 "four eye" Saleens ever built so I believe they will continue the trend other Saleens are seeing. I think they have a lot going for them considering the extremely limited production as well as the following aspects: 85, last carb'd year, 86 first year of F.I., last year of square headlights etc. especially since the demand for early Fox cars has risen substantially in the last few years.

I think the specials (SSC,s, SA's, etc.) will always be the most desirable but I think the future looks decent.

marcus95 · Jun 29, 2005

Head Paneer said:
Strange how? Beacause there are four digits instead of two or three?

When we were at the Saleen open house in April, we saw bumper numbers in the high 600s. They are churning cars out of two US facilities. Do the Canadian cars come from Detroit and are they included in the same numbering sequence or do they get something like an 05-XXXX-C number? You ask the Saleen guys and they will tell you they have the capacity to make 2,000+ cars per year right these days.

2005 will be a not-so-limited production year comparred to past years. I think some boom in production may be do to customers holding off buying a Saleen until the ‘05s were available. Mossy Ford still has a couple ‘04s on their lot and they are discounting very deeply.

Dennis.

It just looks strange seeing FOUR numbers up there when the most we have ever seen is three. I dunno, I just thought it looked strange.

saleenster · Jun 29, 2005

RandyA said:
Why the prejudice against the 85-86 cars? I have seen them going for some decent numbers since I have been following them. There were only 344 "four eye" Saleens ever built so I believe they will continue the trend other Saleens are seeing. I think they have a lot going for them considering the extremely limited production as well as the following aspects: 85, last carb'd year, 86 first year of F.I., last year of square headlights etc. especially since the demand for early Fox cars has risen substantially in the last few years.

I think the specials (SSC,s, SA's, etc.) will always be the most desirable but I think the future looks decent.

I figured somebody would chime in. To be honest, there is nothing wrong, and I am certainly not being prejudice in anyway, in fact I like the 85/86 cars. There just is not the demand as some of the later fox cars. I agree with you about the 4 eyes, and carb to FI, but there are a few things that buyers normally want when looking at Fox saleens. 4 wheel disc, more hp, and 5 Lug. These are things I have encountered with buyers looking for Saleens. To go even further, the 87 and early 88 model cars had seat brackets that were made from plastic it seemed...okay not plastic, but you get the idea. They get the droop very early on and it only gets worse. I have seen a number of 87 and 88 Saleens with the Flo fit seats switched from drivers to passengers and visa versa.

I too agree, the future for Fox Saleens looks bright. Hold on to them if you are able to, as time will show the Shelby/Saleen comparison will eventually take somewhat of the same course IMO.

SGOODRIC50 · Jul 1, 2005

What about the newer saleens like 99-04? Does anyone think that they will climb in value? Thanks

BerryG · Jul 3, 2005

I don't think one can compare the Saleens to the Shelbys because as one person already mentioned the racing history of Shelby.
Also, we should also consider that in the next 20-30 years fossil fuels may not be available at prices that make car ownership possible like it is today.
If the fossil fuels become so expensive that no one can afford to drive there will not be a demand for "collector cars" like there is today.
For example, you can see a horse cart or a horse racing sulky in some places, like museums but how many people have one in the garage at home that they are restoring for show or use on the weekend?
You can still get a horse, but unless you live on your own farm you can't afford to keep one.
Still, I like my Saleen and I am keeping it.

marcus95 · Jul 3, 2005

I dunno.

In the 1950's they swore we would all be using flying cars by now. Petroleum based fuels may be a lot more expensive but I think they will be readily available in 20-30 years. It may not be practical but I think any kind of collector car with a decent history will be right along line with the price of some Shelbys out there today. I'm not promising that our Saleen Mustangs will increase by 3000% but I'm still convinced there will be market for old Saleen Mustangs.
I saw Carroll this afternoon. He looks great for an 83 year old. Was out at California Raceway for the Shelby show. On that note, I bet if there are that many guys who practically worship Shelby now, worship Steve in the future the Saleen Mustang will find it's place in the market. There always seems to be a cult following with race/muscle cars.

s351rspeedster · Jul 4, 2005

marcus95 said:
I dunno.
I saw Carroll this afternoon. He looks great for an 83 year old. Was out at California Raceway for the Shelby show. On that note, I bet if there are that many guys who practically worship Shelby now, worship Steve in the future the Saleen Mustang will find it's place in the market. There always seems to be a cult following with race/muscle cars.

There are many people now who worship Steve whenever they see him. Knowing that, there will always be a following for his cars. I really don't see the big deal anyways, Steve and Carroll put their pants on one leg at a time just like you and me??? Why worship them

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