Roush Saleen Series II out, Kenne Bell in

[Probablecause]

well to make a long story short my car has been out of commission for a week, but i've been too annoyed to say anything about it on stangnet. over time, in some sort of freak accident ALL of the bolts loosened up on the blower, to the point of almost falling out. don't ask me how that happened other than bad craftsmanship. obviously a bunch of unmetered air found its way into the motor unchecked. the cpu tried to compensate and voila!; i ran way lean for some time now and although i saved the motor from major damage it's not running at the moment because it can't hold the idle. there may have been some detonation that occurred but i managed to park the car before it blew altogether.

i spoke with T&J performance (ModularFordPowerhouse.com) and the problem can be fixed without too much hassle, but i said screw it and decided now would be the time for an upgrade. in the next week or so i'm purchasing the kenne bell intercooled supercharger with all the works.

here's the kit from KB's website:

Billet Twin Screw 1700 Supercharger
Hi-Flo Inlet Manifolds
Billet Bypass Valve Assembly
Bar and Plate Intercooler
HD Heat Exchanger
Intercooler Pump
Water Fill Reservoir
Re-calibrated Mono Chip
36lb Injectors
BOOST-A-PUMP™
Fuel Rails ('00 up)
160° Calibrated Thermostat

on top of that i plan on adding:

FRPP 3.55s
Kenne Bell 90mm Meter & Chip (up to 13HP over stock meter)
Kenne Bell 75mm Throttle Body & "Big Tube" Kit (18HP over stock)
Kenne Bell Cool Air Kit (up to 13HP)
Kenne Bell SWITCH CHIP®
Kenne Bell Gauge (Boost & Fuel psi) Package
Kenne Bell Knock Detector Kit

it's going to be one hell of an investment but i'm dreaming of driving my car home already. it's going to be about a month before they can get my car into the shop but i can deal with that.

my series II blower will be resealed and rebolted and i plan on selling the entire saleen and chicane system as a kit. anyone know what it's worth?

 

[Head Paneer]

Good luck with the swap. I am sure you will notice a big difference. My only concern is the stress your engine may have encountered with the loose Series II. Hopefully the internals check out o.k.

 

[03-s281]

How much you want for the Saleen blower. I want a KB too but finances
may change my mind.

 

[marcus95]

Wow.
What a bummer. But look at it this way. What a perfect excuse to go out and buy that Kenne Bell set up. You car is gonna rip compared to before. When my S351 motor bent a rod 6 months ago I could have just replaced it. It did give me a perfect excuse to go nuts and go forged all the way though. At least you can go rip on your car right after the new blower install. I still have to put another 600 miles on my car to get it out of "safe tune" Does'nt sound like a lot, but the car only has 5,300 original miles on it in the first place. Damn.
Can you afford to keep your Series II set up? You should if you can. I always tell myself after I buy a car that " I'll own this one forever" Damn again. Forever usually ends up 2-3 years or I have run out of mods. If you think you are going to keep your car sell the blower. You could probably get 2-2,500 for it with the RIPP kit. If you can ,keep it. If you do sell your car later you can throw that old Series II on it and sell your Kenne Bell for a lot more money.

 

[Probablecause]

well since i last posted i spoke with the owner (tim) at T&J and got some things squared away. it's going to take up to 6 weeks to get the blower from KB, apparently, like a dell computer they build your own blower to spec and register it as well. i can wait though...

tim said that the only thing i may have hurt would be the bottom end on the motor and with what he said to listen for i doubt anything was damaged. i mean, when the motor held the little idle it did you could clearly hear a loud vacuum leak coming from the blower. there were no other noises like a rod bearing or something mechanically broken. the motor will be tested before any installation...

i could just fix the blower i have marcus, you're right, but what the hell? i'm young, single, no bills, etc. i had given thought to selling my car sometime in a year or two down the road but now with this investment coming i'm not going to do that. i'll keep this car for a long time now.

i've got a buyer lined up already on the saleen system. after speaking with tim it was agreed that $2500 was a fair price and that's what i've got lined up for now. if anything changes on that or i need to go elsewhere on the sale than i'll let you know.

 

[Mstng2]

Yea, 2500.00 is a good price. I watched them as they come and go on e-bay, before I got mine, and most go for about 2500 - 2900, without the chicane setup. So whoever is getting yours is getting a good deal. make sure to suggest them sending it to Joe for a onceover before they re-install it. Be sure to post your #'s once you get the KB on.

 

[Probablecause]

the KB is officially ordered and on the way. they're built overseas, news to me...it's going to be 4-6 weeks before the shop gets the kit. i'll be sure to post my #s after all is said and done. the car should really rip hard!

 

[00s281sc368]

Make sure you get a better clutch...the stock one slips with the KB high torque...

 

[Probablecause]

Make sure you get a better clutch...the stock one slips with the KB high torque...

anyone know what i'm looking at for a clutch and install? and any brand names would be good...i know about centerforce, not too many after that.

 

[tfalk]

The only CenterForce that might hold up with the KB would be the dual friction. They grab, but they also tend to not last very long under spirited driving...

I have a Spec III in my 99 S/C Saleen... 4-5 thousand miles, a couple of auto-x's, a couple of 1320 passes and it's holding up so far. I previously tried a CenterForce II and grenaded it at 600 miles and 5 1320 passes - it just couldn't handle the torque.

 

[Probablecause]

spoke with the shop today and i'm looking at $900 plus dollars more than i'm already spending for a spec stage II clutch, alum. flywheel, and install with parts and labor. i mean, this KB swap is gonna set me back close to $9,000 before everything is said and done. anyone wanna buy my brand new carbon fiber hood? =)

 

[rc10t]

I am also looking at swapping out to a kenne bell. My question is...Will the stock internals of the 281 handle the extra HP?

 

[Probablecause]

to my knowledge the stock motor can handle the KB system without any issues. there are people on the forums here, saleen or not, who have been running KBs and no one has mentioned anything. the one thing to worry about on the stock system is the clutch, and alas, i'm having to invest more for that. costing me another $900 for a spec stage II with aluminum flywheel, firewall adjuster/ pressure plate, and install. i just ran into a guy today with a 281 who threw a vortech on his...decent boost. he said his stock clutch is f*****d, so he's having to baby the car everywhere until he can get it fixed. that, and comments on here have taught me a lesson before hand not to run that kind of power without a better clutch.

back to your question though, the KB kit most guys are getting for the 2V is the 9 pound kit, which is the one i'm getting. you can buy a 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 pound pulley but i haven't looked into that. the 9lb kit should put you somewhere in the neighborhood of 410-460rwhp and 400-420trq from the dynos i've seen; depends on your exhaust set up and other mods. that's good enough for me on a street mustang that's daily driven.

call tim through modularfordpowerhouse.com - they've got peeps shipping mustangs to them from all over the country just to get work done. at any one time they've got 20+ stangs waiting to be seen. supposedly they have customer service you can't beat and do awesome work. tim is the man who's going to put my system in and tune it, let me know if you want prices on what he's charging for anytyhing i'm getting done and i'll let you know. there are some things i'm having done you could skip, like the gears and the custom tune. KB can send a tuned chip with the kit but it may not be everything you would want.

 

[madmatt]

From what I hear, Tims tune is unbeatable. Hes amazing and I dont think you should skip his tune even though KB sends you one thats amazing. Congrats on your new investment, and I hope to see some numbers soon.