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rick1189

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On a non MAF car how much cam can you put in the motor.
I would like to go with a ford racing cam.

I have a computer and MAF sensor out of a 90 car what else do I need to change it over?
 
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Comp cams makes specific cams for speed density mustangs. For the swap over i believe you need some of the harness aswell due to the fact the way the injectors are siganled is different. I maybe wrong however.
 

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Yeah if you dont have the harness too, then you need to add pins to your eec connection.
 

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50Tech has a nice list of SD friendly cams as I recall.

Good luck.
 

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check my sig the first combo was with speed density and a crower cam. Made pretty good power for bone stock heads.
 

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With SD the area you want to watch for is the cam. Once you go over 220* duration@.050, then your idle can become unstable and can start surging etc. SD likes High lift, low duration cams, since it relies on vacuum. Most people switch to MAF when going with much larger cams, but if you stay within reasonable limits, SD will run just fine & hard. My 347 runs great with SD although I have pushed the cam limits a bit far with it, but I knew what to expect and with some fine tuning it's not that bad for ME. With SD, heads, intake, gears, blower, N20, all the goodies can be used and have no problems with it. MAF will give a more precise A/F reading to the computer since it reads & adjusts BEFORE entering the motor where SD reads AFTERWARD'S, and thus MAF gives you just a slight better off idle throttle response, a more precise A/F metering, and doesn't rely on vacuum in the way SD does, but I've also seen many MAF cars encounter surging problems (modded or not), unstable cruising modes etc as well, all the things that many claim is an SD problem. If you have done any in depth research you'll find many people still have SD with blowers etc and have absolutely NO problems. SD has a better fuel curve at higher rpm than does MAF (until MAF is tweaked or modified)

Early 87 5.0's had a little more aggressive cam than what was used in the mid 87-89 5.0's which then were changed again in 1990. If the date code on your 87 5.0 HO is before 4/87, then you have this odd cam. It's not widely known about this oddball cam. The difference being it had 276/276* vs. the later 276/266 cams, plus a slightly more aggressive ramp rate. This particular cam works extremely well with 1.72 RR's, giving you a total lift of .475 and duration@.050 of 209*, and a 115.5 LCA. It pulls very hard right up to 5800 RPM with good exhaust, intake and reasonable gearing (3.55's or better). I am currently trying to find the Ford Part# for this cam as back in 1992 I read in a Ford Motorsport parts book the different part numbers for each cam. The reason I mention this cam is simply because it came only in early SD 87's.

Don't get me wrong now, there comes a time when MAF IS needed, unless you go DFI (Digital Fuel Injection) and with that, you can tune your motor till your hearts desire. I have discovered that having even a basic off the shelf computer chip (Module) help with minor idle issues. Some off the shelf chips will increase your advance rate in the distributor, alter your fuel curve, richen up the motor at WOT as well as add 4* to your total timing which other than a small boost in HP & TQ also allows you to keep your stock setting of 10*, thus making it easier on your starter motor to turn over the motor. I have heard all the rumors about many aftermarket chips doing nothing and being a complete waste of $$. I'm curious if those people who make these claims have actually dyno'd their cars before and after the chip install for absolute verification. Personally, I highly doubt it. I cannot speak for all of the manufactures out there as I have not tested them. I can only speak for the Hypertech Brand, which I personally used for 4 yrs and had the motor & car tested for what changes occurred. This is where my information comes from as listed above. I was pleased with the overall results of the chip, although I think pricing is a bit high for any off the shelf chips.

One key note here, I always recommend a custom cam AND a custom chip when using SD and a moderately modified motor, but it is not necessary with just basic mod's such as intake, heads, headers, gears, exhaust and roller rocker arms. SD also is more sensitive to fuel pressure settings; TPS settings, idle settings, as well as all your sensors, so make sure they all are in good working condition.











copied from 50tech
 

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forget ford racing cams they are bunch of better cams out there....
 
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what about comp cams CL35-349-8 ?

Roland69 said:
With SD the area you want to watch for is the cam. Once you go over 220* duration@.050, then your idle can become unstable and can start surging etc. SD likes High lift, low duration cams, since it relies on vacuum. Most people switch to MAF when going with much larger cams, but if you stay within reasonable limits, SD will run just fine & hard. My 347 runs great with SD although I have pushed the cam limits a bit far with it, but I knew what to expect and with some fine tuning it's not that bad for ME. With SD, heads, intake, gears, blower, N20, all the goodies can be used and have no problems with it. MAF will give a more precise A/F reading to the computer since it reads & adjusts BEFORE entering the motor where SD reads AFTERWARD'S, and thus MAF gives you just a slight better off idle throttle response, a more precise A/F metering, and doesn't rely on vacuum in the way SD does, but I've also seen many MAF cars encounter surging problems (modded or not), unstable cruising modes etc as well, all the things that many claim is an SD problem. If you have done any in depth research you'll find many people still have SD with blowers etc and have absolutely NO problems. SD has a better fuel curve at higher rpm than does MAF (until MAF is tweaked or modified)

Early 87 5.0's had a little more aggressive cam than what was used in the mid 87-89 5.0's which then were changed again in 1990. If the date code on your 87 5.0 HO is before 4/87, then you have this odd cam. It's not widely known about this oddball cam. The difference being it had 276/276* vs. the later 276/266 cams, plus a slightly more aggressive ramp rate. This particular cam works extremely well with 1.72 RR's, giving you a total lift of .475 and duration@.050 of 209*, and a 115.5 LCA. It pulls very hard right up to 5800 RPM with good exhaust, intake and reasonable gearing (3.55's or better). I am currently trying to find the Ford Part# for this cam as back in 1992 I read in a Ford Motorsport parts book the different part numbers for each cam. The reason I mention this cam is simply because it came only in early SD 87's.

Don't get me wrong now, there comes a time when MAF IS needed, unless you go DFI (Digital Fuel Injection) and with that, you can tune your motor till your hearts desire. I have discovered that having even a basic off the shelf computer chip (Module) help with minor idle issues. Some off the shelf chips will increase your advance rate in the distributor, alter your fuel curve, richen up the motor at WOT as well as add 4* to your total timing which other than a small boost in HP & TQ also allows you to keep your stock setting of 10*, thus making it easier on your starter motor to turn over the motor. I have heard all the rumors about many aftermarket chips doing nothing and being a complete waste of $$. I'm curious if those people who make these claims have actually dyno'd their cars before and after the chip install for absolute verification. Personally, I highly doubt it. I cannot speak for all of the manufactures out there as I have not tested them. I can only speak for the Hypertech Brand, which I personally used for 4 yrs and had the motor & car tested for what changes occurred. This is where my information comes from as listed above. I was pleased with the overall results of the chip, although I think pricing is a bit high for any off the shelf chips.

One key note here, I always recommend a custom cam AND a custom chip when using SD and a moderately modified motor, but it is not necessary with just basic mod's such as intake, heads, headers, gears, exhaust and roller rocker arms. SD also is more sensitive to fuel pressure settings; TPS settings, idle settings, as well as all your sensors, so make sure they all are in good working condition.

I am thinking of changing my cam on my '87 SD with factory intake and heads. I called comp cams concering a custom speed density cam and they recommended this shelf cam CL35-349-8.

I admit I really don't know much about cam specs..but with an advertised duration of 264/270 is that less than the stock cam!!??

Here are the specs..please let me know what you think..I am bit by the bug a little and am entrigued by the idea of a sd cam swap and how it will affect the car without swapping heads and intake...

Cam Style: Hydraulic roller tappet
Basic Operating RPM Range: 1,500-5,500 RPM
Intake Duration at 050 inch Lift: 212
Exhaust Duration at 050 inch Lift: 218
Duration at 050 inch Lift: 212 int./218 exh.
Advertised Intake Duration: 264
Advertised Exhaust Duration: 270
Advertised Duration: 264 int./270 exh.
Intake Valve Lift with Factory Rocker Arm Ratio: 0.512 in.
Exhaust Valve Lift with Factory Rocker Arm Ratio: 0.512 in.
Valve Lift with Factory Rocker Arm Ratio: 0.512 int./0.512 exh. lift
Lobe Separation (degrees): 114








copied from 50tech
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Roland69

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what are the spec's
 
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here are the specs

Roland69 said:
what are the spec's
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Cam Style: Hydraulic roller tappet
Basic Operating RPM Range: 1,500-5,500 RPM
Intake Duration at 050 inch Lift: 212
Exhaust Duration at 050 inch Lift: 218
Duration at 050 inch Lift: 212 int./218 exh.
Advertised Intake Duration: 264
Advertised Exhaust Duration: 270
Advertised Duration: 264 int./270 exh.
Intake Valve Lift with Factory Rocker Arm Ratio: 0.512 in.
Exhaust Valve Lift with Factory Rocker Arm Ratio: 0.512 in.
Valve Lift with Factory Rocker Arm Ratio: 0.512 int./0.512 exh. lift
Lobe Separation (degrees): 114
 
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95GTAODE

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'86-'88 HO cam Specs: (E5ZE-6250-AA)

I.O./I.C./Lift- 17°/69°/0.278

E.O./E.C./Lift- 67°/19°/0.278

Duration - Int/Exh- 266°/266°

Valve Lift - Int./Exh. (1.6 rocker arm ratio)- 0.444"/0.444"

verlap- 36°

'89-'93, '94-'95: E8ZE-6250-CA (88-90)
F1ZE-6250-AA (91-94), F4ZE-6250-DA (95)

20°/76°/0.278

67°/19°/0.278

276°/266°

0.444"/0.444"

39°

'93, '94-'95 Cobra Cam, also used in '91-'93 T-bird HO's.
F3ZE-6250-CA

19°/71°/0.282

75.5°/14.5°/0.282

270°/270°

0.479"/0.479"
with 1.7 rocker arm ratio

33.5°

*Thanks to Fletch for the info* www.jason.fletcher.net
 
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I admit I really don't understand cam specs...how would the Comp Cams CL35-349-8 compare with the stock 5.0 Cam in performance, idle, driveability, torque curve etc? Anyone have the specs for the crower SD cam?
 
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Crower 15511 specs

I pulled the crower 15511 specs from Summit:

Basic Operating RPM Range: 2,200-5,500 RPM
Intake Duration at 050 inch Lift: 218
Exhaust Duration at 050 inch Lift: 224
Duration at 050 inch Lift: 218 int./224 exh.
Advertised Intake Duration: 278
Advertised Exhaust Duration: 282
Advertised Duration: 278 int./282 exh.
Intake Valve Lift with Factory Rocker Arm Ratio: 0.468 in.
Exhaust Valve Lift with Factory Rocker Arm Ratio: 0.486 in.
Valve Lift with Factory Rocker Arm Ratio: 0.468 int./0.486 exh. lift
Lobe Separation (degrees): 114
Intake Valve Lash: 0.000 in.
Exhaust Valve Lash: 0.000 in.
Computer Controlled Compatible: No
Grind Number: 218HR224
 
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