TFS twisted wedge V AFR 165 heads

5spd GT · Sep 22, 2005

Milling cost money and you could also mill the AFR's. Just trying to keep it even here

CoupedUp · Sep 23, 2005

NOOOOOOO! .. the TW, AFR debate ... AHHHHHHHHH!

I'm sure the new CNC option on the TW will make a good head capable of flowing even better ... but what use would lazy air be on a daily driven 302

The Wedges aren't bad ... either are the AFR's ... they are both great heads, but on certain applications, one will be a bit stronger suited than the other.

There's good match and great match for every application ... damn it

Dbeck002 · Sep 23, 2005

In the end you get what you pay for.

"well CNC porting the and they will piss all over the AFRs"

True, because they were CNC ported and you payed for that.

Speed equals money, how many times do we have to emphasize this.

DemonGT · Sep 23, 2005

some one said if the TW are better then AFR's then why dont they sell them for the same price? uhh the price is higher on the AFR's cause of the CNC porting on them..and uhhh they also know that all the suckers out there will pay it

CoupedUp · Sep 23, 2005

DemonGT said:
some one said if the TW are better then AFR's then why dont they sell them for the same price? uhh the price is higher on the AFR's cause of the CNC porting on them..and uhhh they also know that all the suckers out there will pay it

Right, the CNC ports are a big advertising gimmick ... that's why TF is doing it to the TW design ... they want to cash in on some of the false benifits as well

CNC does cost more and does perform better as well.

Dbeck002 · Sep 23, 2005

I still think the AFR 185 heads are the best all around head in history. For what you get you are not paying a lot, 1300 bucks for a sh1tload of technology.

Blk91stang · Sep 23, 2005

Daggar said:
The one full point in compression doesn't help any either.

NEWS FLASH!!!! Everyone take off your superchargers and turbochargers!!! They increase compression which apparantly decreases your horsepower!!! I always wondered how John Force goes so fast... he pulls his blower belt off before every race!!

5spd GT · Sep 23, 2005

BLK91stang - He was being sarcastic

CoupedUp · Sep 23, 2005

5spd GT said:
BLK91stang - He was being sarcastic

It all supposed to start with reading comprehension in 2nd or 3rd grade.
I've noticed quite a lack there of on dis one.

Stage 1: Learn to read.
Stage 2: Comprehend what you are reading and interpret it correctly
Stage 3: Interact coherently with others.

I'm still working on Stage 3

89white50 · Sep 23, 2005

lol...has he said what his overall plans with the motor are yet? i forget with all the debate going on.

Daggar · Sep 23, 2005

Blk91stang said:
NEWS FLASH!!!! Everyone take off your superchargers and turbochargers!!! They increase compression which apparantly decreases your horsepower!!! I always wondered how John Force goes so fast... he pulls his blower belt off before every race!!

Give me a shipping address so I can send you your boobie prize.

90Notch · Sep 23, 2005

TWs have shorter intake runner length, if they had the same length that AFR has it would be closer to the AFR185 head. AFR165 flow very close to AFR165 so the air will be moving faster through the smaller AFR port, which should make for more area under curve & better throttle response. It really comes down to the entire combo not just the head both heads perform so close to each other.

AFR165 can easily be opened up to 185s where TWs can be opened up more. I personally would run the AFRs because they will allow you to run more cam choices unless you flycut the pistons.

Blk91stang · Sep 26, 2005

5spd GT said:
BLK91stang - He was being sarcastic

As was I

Grn92LX · Sep 26, 2005

Daggar said:
You got a link to these things? I've not seen them yet. Are they emissions legal?

185cc TW

205cc TW

Emissions legal just like a box stock TW and they'll fit on a stock shortblock. Summit owns Total Engine Airflow and these are TEA cnc ported heads. They start out as a slightly smaller casting than a box stock TW and are ported. I read about them on hardcore 50

185cc TW on my car

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