351CJ said:You are correct that the incremental manufacturing cost for things like V8 engines and options are very small and are high profit items.
But, your numbers are a bit off. $500 or more difference for the V8 engine would be more like it. The 4.0 SOHC is already made in very large volumes as it is used in the Explorer, Ranger, etc. so the 4.0 V6 is a low cost engine.
But with that said, I think you guys are dreaming if you think Ford will really have an under $20K V8 Mustang in 2005 (sticker price). Ford will sell every V8 GT, 2005 Mustang they are able to build for $25K or more. Why in the world would they want to give them away at less than $20K?
4havnfun said:I was watching the Ford VP of Product Creation on speed channel this weekend (can't remember the show). The piece was taped before NAIAS but he clearly said the V6 was under 20k and the V8 was the lowest price V8 sports car (or something like that) either way it was obvious that a V8 Mustang under 20k wasn't in the cards.
I'm not sure if anyone mentioned it or not (skimmed, but haven't read all the posts), but... the V6 and GT are both going to have the same transmissions and the same 8.8" rear end. So logically speaking, the only thing that has to be changed out to support a V8 in the V6 base would be the motor and the front suspension. I could see that being done for $2-3k easily. It's not nearly as monstrous a job as it would have been with the current Mustang (where you have to change the rear, axle, and transmission as well).
I'm not saying I expect a $20k V8, just that it's not so technically difficult to do as some have suggested.
Ron Jeremy said:Hyundais have an EXCELLENT warranty. I have owned 3 within the last 7 years and they are EXCELLENT cars. No problems whatsoever with these cars.
peyotesands said:except they're dorking looking...
CSUSB_Coyote said:I'm sorry, I stated once the 3 valve motor is introduced to other lines the difference will be minimal. I have bought motors for other companies in the past. The manufacture cost, in volume, is negligible. A difference of $500 is a joke when you purchase, power plants, in terms of 10K's.
SVTdriver said:Ok that statement could also be taken in 2 parts. Because the V-6 could be described by ford as the best RWD perf. car under $20k. And the gt could be taken as the most affordable 3000hp car made. Not to be a buzz kill but. People need to look for ALL the info. Not just what they want to see. This is also from the same website.
The 2005 Mustang GT (top) is the most attainable 300-horsepower V-8 performance car on the market, and its V-6 Coupe stablemate is the best rear-wheel-drive car under $20,000.
351CJ said:If you were comparing a 390 Ford V8 to a 428 Ford V8, I would agree with you that there was a very minimal difference in manufacturing cost, on the order of your $50 figure.
However, you are way off base suggesting that a 4.6L 3V, V8 engine costs only $50 more to manufacture than the 4.0 V6. I purchase materials for equipment we build and I guarantee you that just the EXTRA metal that goes in the block and head castings on the 4.6 V8 costs more than $50 over what the V6 castings cost.
Now let's add in 2 more rods, 12 more valves, 12 more lifters, 12 more rocker arms, 2 more main bearings & rod bearings, 2 more spark plugs, 8 coil packs instead of a single coil V6 setup, 2 more injectors, 2 more wrist pins, 2 more pistons, 4 more rod bolts, 8 more main bolts, the VCT control mechanisms & sensors and a whole buch of other pieces I haven't even listed.
I have it on good authority that the VCT mechanisms alone have a manufacturing cost close to $200. Yes their costs will come down as volume goes up, but you're comparing apples to oranges.
I'm not trying to be a pain here, but you are doing a major dis-service to StangNet Forum participants by trying to suggest that the 4.6L V8 cost only $50 more to manufacture than the 4.0 V6.
Ron Jeremy said:Beleive it or not, the Hyundai vehicles are equal quality now to the Honda vehicles. And Hyundai Motorcars became the owner of KIA Motorcars. So now these 2 car companies have merged with each other.
Hyundai is coming out with a 4 door ultra-luxury sedan in 2005. It has an 8 cylinder engine it it and looks like the 1992-1999 Lincoln Towncar. It's a really nice looking vehicle. And it's not rounded looking like some other luxury car imports. I forget what the name of this car is but I know that you can see it if you go to the www.hyundai.com website. Hyundai is making some really nicer looking cars than Toyots, Nissan and Honda. And they cost cheaper to buy.
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