yawn..... yeah, quit trying to be different! Just apply a belly button solution to a belly button engine and call it a day! DAMMIT!
Toying with an idea, need someone to tell me I'm cra-cra.
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Nik... Stop being a puss
That's what you need!
You give it to me... I'll find a way to put it in.
That's what she said.
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I know the late Boss 351 did post some nice acceleration numbers, but I have to imagine traction and possibly gearing had a lot to do with it. That particular car isn't super competitive in any of the stock-type muscle car drags these days.
Haha for the right price I'm sure you could have it. There is a twin throttle body 14* brodix headed Windsor on racing junk right now for 20k should be near a 1000hpYou give it to me... I'll find a way to put it in.
That's what she said.
ratio411
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I imagine that the Boss 351 is not used much in any sort of racing today because of a few reasons:
It never was very popular to begin with. The bigger body put off alot of people.
It was only made one year, and not many were made.
So it has a 2 fold problem with rarity... There aren't many to begin with, and they are too valuable today to bother/chance racing the few that survived.
As for gearing, they came with 3.91 gears standard, and only with a wide ratio Toploader 4 speed. No auto.
Compare that to slower (albeit only slightly slower) cars like the 428 and 429 Super Cobra Jets (Super = Drag Pack), and they came with 3.91s as well, with 4.30s optional.
If traction was an issue, then the non-Drag Pack cars, Cobra Jets (vs "Super" Cobra Jets) would be faster as they would have only had 3.50 gears, hence better hook. Also with the availability autos in those cars would make them quicker too if your theory of traction is true.
Edit: Don't get me wrong. I am not argueing to be an azz or anything. Just enjoying the bench race with friends online!
Mr. Rustypwnz
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simple t70 on 8-10 psi, with some 42lbers. You would be more than happy with that, believe me. If you want to take a ride in a turbo car you just let me know! You wont bust the block at 10psi, if it does, it will take 2 years to do it. BK ran his at 14-15psi for a year before he sold the car, we ran 18-24psi on that sn95 car and it would only blow a hg here and there, but iron gt40's suck dick last time I checked.
Mintsick
10 Year Member
^ Aero conversion is a great idea!
I don't mind the suggestion of using the new 300hp+ V6 used in the new mustang, would be very unique however I can't see much in the way of future performance modifications for that mill.
I don't mind the suggestion of using the new 300hp+ V6 used in the new mustang, would be very unique however I can't see much in the way of future performance modifications for that mill.
Hey man, all is good. If anyone likes to play devil's advocate, it's me.
Anyway, check out purestockdrags.com… Boss 351s were quick, but I’m very skeptical that they were ever the quickest.
ratio411
Founding Member
I don't remember if this is per Road and Track, Motor Trend, or Car and Driver, but they used to compile the 'off the showroom floor' test results that they and their sister publications got out of the cars when the were brand new. They updated their lists every year. They would publish a list of all the test results achieved for all the vehicles in the current year, and they would publish another list of the top x-amount (50?) test results of all time. At least until the GNX, the Boss 351 was top of the aggregate list. I don't recall the exact performance results, but it was high 12s, or very low 13s in the quarter.Hey man, all is good. If anyone likes to play devil's advocate, it's me.
Mintsick
10 Year Member
I agree, according to Car & Driver of February 1971 they ran a 14.1@100mph in a Boss 351 (0-60 of 5.8 secs).Hey man, all is good. If anyone likes to play devil's advocate, it's me.
my truck would have busted its ass stock!
The Motor Trend I read listed the test at 13.8. I also read that Ford supplied Car Craft a version of the car w/ exhaust headers that they managed to flog a 13.74 out of.
But from every other thing I read, it does look like it was the fastest car produced, ( w/ the exception of the 681/2 428 CJ, and 69/70 Boss 9 mustangs) besting every other factory produced pony car and muscle car up to that day.
So I have a new respect for the big assed things,.....AND that motor. (I had no Idea they were anything different from every other 351C Ford built,...but clearly, they were).
ratio411
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It has been years, no, decades since I read the list, so I was probably recalling a lower ET than what I really read apparently...
13.8 is more than I recalled, but then again, I am old, and lucky to remember what I did yesterday, so 7 tenths in 2 decades isn't bad. LoL
I do have an issue with your place the Boss 9 above the 351c... It was an absolute PIG in the quarter off the showroom floor.
Not to diminsh the Boss 9 any, but they did not really have any options, they came the way they came, and you liked it.
And they came with horrible gear ratios to be quick.
Again, it wouldn't take much at all to make one a monster, but they didn't COME that way.
As for the 68.5 CJ, that was uber-quick off the lot, but it was still just below the Boss 351 on the list of the quickest.
As for the Boss 351 vs the M-code 351, the top of the line, 4v headed Cleveland sold in huge (relatively) quantities in a variety of different model FoMoCo products...
The Boss 351 was an M-code with a solid cam, .3 more compression, 4 bolt main, and adjustable rockers. Nothing more worth speaking of, other than the pretty aluminum valve covers... 33o rated hp.
The M-code was hydraulic cam, pedestal rockers, 11:1 compression, and the same crappy Motorcraft spreadbore 4v carb... 300 rated hp. Same blocks, and the M-code block was cast for 4 bolt mains even though the factory only installed 2 bolts.
Talk to any old timer that knows his Fords, and they'll tell you these were just as underrated as the other top of the line Ford engines.
The fact that they were so quick with such a crappy carb amazes me... I wish I had a time machine to go back to the day they tested that 13.8 car, and swap a Holley 780 on! I have blueprinted, tweaked, and "super-tuned" some stock carbs to perfection, and then swapped on a box stock Holley, and just blown away the super-tuned carb I had just taken off! I mean the kind of gains that I wouldn't have believed myself if I wasn't there...
As a side note:
The much talked about 351 CJ (Q-code) was a complete pig.
The block came with 4 bolt mains, but was a thinner casting than previous, the 4v heads had open combustion chambers (for emissions purposes) that would ping and detonate on any fuel other than premium at a measely 9:1 compression. The carb went from a sucky Motorcraft minor spreadbore, to a double sucky Q-Jet platform (huge spreadbore). I wouldn't have anything off a Q-code engine other than the main caps and outer bolts... to install on my badazz M-code!
It has been years, no, decades since I read the list, so I was probably recalling a lower ET than what I really read apparently...
13.8 is more than I recalled, but then again, I am old, and lucky to remember what I did yesterday, so 7 tenths in 2 decades isn't bad. LoL
I do have an issue with your place the Boss 9 above the 351c... It was an absolute PIG in the quarter off the showroom floor.
Not to diminsh the Boss 9 any, but they did not really have any options, they came the way they came, and you liked it.
And they came with horrible gear ratios to be quick.
Again, it wouldn't take much at all to make one a monster, but they didn't COME that way.
As for the 68.5 CJ, that was uber-quick off the lot, but it was still just below the Boss 351 on the list of the quickest.
As for the Boss 351 vs the M-code 351, the top of the line, 4v headed Cleveland sold in huge (relatively) quantities in a variety of different model FoMoCo products...
The Boss 351 was an M-code with a solid cam, .3 more compression, 4 bolt main, and adjustable rockers. Nothing more worth speaking of, other than the pretty aluminum valve covers... 33o rated hp.
The M-code was hydraulic cam, pedestal rockers, 11:1 compression, and the same crappy Motorcraft spreadbore 4v carb... 300 rated hp. Same blocks, and the M-code block was cast for 4 bolt mains even though the factory only installed 2 bolts.
Talk to any old timer that knows his Fords, and they'll tell you these were just as underrated as the other top of the line Ford engines.
The fact that they were so quick with such a crappy carb amazes me... I wish I had a time machine to go back to the day they tested that 13.8 car, and swap a Holley 780 on! I have blueprinted, tweaked, and "super-tuned" some stock carbs to perfection, and then swapped on a box stock Holley, and just blown away the super-tuned carb I had just taken off! I mean the kind of gains that I wouldn't have believed myself if I wasn't there...
As a side note:
It's this engine that I thought they put in them,..I was fortunate enough to street race a few (back in the olden days @ Stapelton Drive in Denver Co. in my 69 351W mach 1) Needless to say,..the "CJ" on those engines was just a sticker.
For the sake of your "fading memory":
http://www.mustangmonthly.com/thehistoryof/173_0310_ten_fastest_mustangs/viewall.html
ratio411
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Mintsick
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That's a cool list, it's crazy/neat to hear of all the ringers manufacturers supplied to publications looking to test the cars performance.
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