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Tuned 2Vs: What's your ignition timing at?

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  • Start date Start date May 20, 2007

trinity_gt

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I'm not satisfied with my car's post-cam install power and am suspecting the tune. Although I've got time scheduled for a re-tune (with a different tuner) a week from now, I thought I'd do some forensics to see if my current tune is suspect. I dusted off the old AutoTap scanner and did some logging with it on some deserted country roads, accelerating hard in a few gears and cruising, logging a number of parameters including O2 sensor voltages and ignition timing. What I'm seeing is this:

- oddly, the throttle angle indication reads 19.6% when the throttle is closed. At WOT the indication is 92.9%
- oxygen sensor B1S2 always reads 0mV though I never see an MIL... The B2S2 sensor reads more normally though its indication makes me suspect that the Magnaflow hi-flow cats in my MRT-H are not so good no more.

- during steady state cruise at a couple-thousand RPM, the indicated spark advance is somewhere over 40o. In one log I see 45.5o...
- during periods of WOT, the ignition timing drops down to about 20o and begins to climb as the RPM rises. However, it only climbs to about 23o, maybe 23.5o maximum
- during these WOT runs the front O2s both saturate at 960mV (I also suspect it's running as rich as hell on the current tune...)

I'm most interested to hear what other tuned GTs are running for spark timing under these conditions. With my previous, pre-cam mail order tune, I'd get some tip-in detonation (even with 94-oct Sunoco) if I punched it in 2nd gear at, say, 3500RPM, indicating perhaps slightly too aggressive timing. Now I never hear any such indication. I actually wonder if the values above are closer to factory timing values rather than a properly done tune.
 

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20^ is kind of high. I would drop it maybe 2^. Just watch out for detonation.
 

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Keep in mind that this isn't initial timing. This is PCM-commanded "total" timing. With KOEO (key-on, engine off) I believe the spark advance value shows 10o if we can consider that to be the "initial" value.

As noted, during part-throttle cruise, the thing gets a ton of timing -- like 45o. At WOT though, the datastream shows the timing dropping to 20ish and then slowly climbing for the duration of the WOT to perhaps 23.5o, and that's it.

To me that seems a little low but I was hoping to compare to other guys with tuned 2Vs that have logged their spark timing at WOT.
 

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N/A , I would have thought the timing should be around 32 to 36 deg at wot
 

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Alot of cobra guys are pulling 20-22 *s of total timing. My car is running 15*s total. So yes yours sounds VERY low. The new tuner should fix you up I hope!
 

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hotmustang331 said:
Alot of cobra guys are pulling 20-22 *s of total timing. My car is running 15*s total. So yes yours sounds VERY low. The new tuner should fix you up I hope!
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Sorry...can you clarify?

According to the PCM datastream, I'm seeing 20-24o of total timing at WOT.

Are you refering to initial timing with the numbers you mention, such as when someone has a Steeda T/A and sets it to 14 or 15o?
 

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trinity_gt said:
Sorry...can you clarify?

According to the PCM datastream, I'm seeing 20-24o of total timing at WOT.

Are you refering to initial timing with the numbers you mention, such as when someone has a Steeda T/A and sets it to 14 or 15o?
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he's talking about his turbo car. forced induction cars run much less timing than n/a cars.

the max allowed timing in the 2V 4.6L stock is 26* at 6000rpm at full load. now that doesn't take into consideration any timing retard controlled by collant temps, air temps, or exhaust temps.

i wouldn't trust the narrow band O2 sensors to tell me if i'm running richer than i'm supposed too. they are really only designed to be accurate at lambda.
 

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For comparison, I am blown with 15 pounds of boost and methanol injected. My timing is set through the computer at 18o...

When I was N/A I was at 24-26o....
 
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