Turbo Help

[wiseguyk]

yeah i just heard from the guy i want to tune my car he recomends the ms3.... i dont really have the 900 to spend at the moment.... we will see what happens i still have a lot of work ahead of me before i need to worry about that i guess. he said he likes it cause you dont have to use a MAF.

Question for you then, how much is he going to charge you for the tune? How about a 2nd tune when you find issues with the initial one during normal driving/cruising? It might seem like a lot at first, but I believe all of the flexibility and benefits you get from being able to data log everything and tune the car yourself is worth the extra up front cost.

My original plan was, "Oh I'll just get the motor and turbo installed and then take it to the tuner to do his thing and I'll be good to go". That thought quickly changed after talking to @FoxMustangLvr, @a91what and others here and hearing a few of the horror stories about tuner shops doing half-assed work at best, or being downright dangerous at worst.

It did sting a bit to drop the coin on the PiMPxs but I know I'm still going to come out on top vs taking it somewhere to have them do the tuning for me. It's probably crazy and/or nerdy to say this, but the ECU is one of my favorite parts of the car now lol #1 of course being the absolutely ridiculous turbo pull when I put my foot in it

 

[a91what]

I happen to know a guy that fixes bad tunes from 'pro' tuners on a regular basis.....

 

[90sickfox]

I was going to go with a moates quarter horse chip. That quickly changed when I came across several stock computer issues. The stock capacitors have a life span before they start leaking and solder starts cracking and our ecu's are way past that.

If staying NA the MS2 is capable ( it'll work well on a boosted car, too ) but the MS3 based stuff is light years better and can power just about anything.

Let's say you decide to buy a 62 nova with a ls6.... the same ms3 based ECU will run it.... say you want a 88 crx with a turbo b16... it'll go right in there and run that too. Let's say.... you buy a 98 gxr 1000 street bike with an air shifter and nitrous... guess what... it'll run that too.

See, this system will run just about anything...except a v10 ford engine. I bring that up because that was going to be my next project. It'll work on the viper and all the other 10 and 12 cylinders...actually from 2 cylinders to 16. The ford v10 has a funky firing order and some other weirdness that has caused the code to remain uncracked... and the fact that the money to power ratio makes it unworth it. I wanted to turbo one bad.

 

[Anti_Hero0932]

ouch i didnt realize he was talking about the ms3 and not the 2.... thats even more yet.

he said he dyno tunes for 100 dollars an hour.

how hard is it to work the ms2 r ms3? im not exactly a tuner but i can read values on obd2 cars and things of that nature to diag.

im taking it with the ms3 you still have to buy a harness or soemthing as well....

 

[Anti_Hero0932]

i may be interested in that.... can you remote tune these like hp tuners? looks like theres an auto tune calibrator on them as well?

the MS3 looks like alot of wiring.

 

[Anti_Hero0932]

tell ya what i will sell you an MS2 that will plug right in to the factory harness, with my full tuning services for $1000

Of course mine is not a base MS2 either... lol

if i end up getting a ms2 do i still need to get a MAF sensor. ill be ordering my kit withing a week.

 

[a91what]

lol I remote tune these live all the time, just have to let me do a team viewer session with you. There is an auto tune feature as well but we dont use that to tune in boost.

Now this ECU is currently powering my car, I would be selling it to you so i can upgrade mine. It has many many mods done to it.... including a tinyiox canbus expansion card inside of it.

you could build your own if your savy with a soldering iron

 

[a91what]

if i end up getting a ms2 do i still need to get a MAF sensor. ill be ordering my kit withing a week.

I have tuned 3 dozen fox mustangs on or through this forum alone. they are all speed density save for mine, I actually run a MAF on mine just to be different. It was much easier to tune than most think. I even tuned a I6 ITB turbo car on this site

 

[Anti_Hero0932]

canbus aye? not really sure how that would work with a tuner but my crane trucks at work have them. when would you have to have this sold by? it would be a while before the car is even running im sure. maybe a month or two. i leave to go to mexico for a week next month then its christmas time you know how that goes.

 

[a91what]

well im not looking to sell it, i just offered. you could build your own DIYPNP for fairly cheap but you will need to cannibalize the connector from yours and thats not easy. Take a look at the Stinger Pimp before you decide, its a ms3 based plug and play option for these cars.

the MS2 is canbus capable so i basically have 2 ecu in one case talking with each other.

 

[Anti_Hero0932]

either way... when im ready to make move on something maybe we can work something out. it helps to have people who have been there before. you have already helped me from making abour 350-400 dollar mistakes just today. i would have ordered the wrong pump and injectors. and if i got mspnp2 i wont need a MAF so that would be anothe 2-300 down the drain for nothing.

im trying to justify buying on in my own mind so no MAF i can subtract that from the total of the ecu ;-)

 

[General karthief]

What about me? I have people.
Wait, thats pebbles, fruity pebbles at that.
never mind, I must be hungry.

 

[Anti_Hero0932]

Got some work done tonight . Didn’t know the car had roller rockers on it . Not sure if these are E7s or gt40s yet either

 

[Anti_Hero0932]

Won’t post a pic what the heck

 

[wiseguyk]

Awesome! You know we're some picture whores around here

I'm pretty sure the GT40 heads will have GT stamped on them somewhere. Nice big shop by the way

 

[General karthief]

Three vertical bars on the end of head, I see one on your head,

 

[Anti_Hero0932]

im gonna get it on a stand tonight and take it apart so maybe i will see some casting numbers or something. i didnt see the 3 bars like my last ones had on them, but the exhaust ports dont look all choked down like an e7 head. unless someone already took a bur bit to these.

 

[90sickfox]

I had a set of e7 heads that were ported and had 1.60 intake 2.02 exhaust valves added. Mine ran pretty dang good. There was a guy that used to build them in the 90s.