V-6 Supercharger Idea

Logan2003Cobra · Dec 16, 2005

Maybe I shouldn't post this until I've tested it out, but... Since used 03/04 Cobra superchargers are selling for so cheap; I've been toying with the idea of picking one up, and then fabricating a sheet metal intake to go between the stock lower intake and the supercharger. Has anyone tried this yet? What do you think? Let me know,

Logan

TMX · Dec 16, 2005

It's been done by some people. The only way I have heard was done by making a plate that bolted from the lower intake and then to the supercharger, but the plate has to be kinda tall because it must clear the hoses and fuel lines. It does NOT fit under the stock hood, in fact you need at least a 2 1/2" cowl if I remember right. Only other option is fabbing an entire lower intake with coolant passages and fuel rail and injector holes. http://www.newage-tuning.com is going that route, but the prototype is still being worked on, dyno results should be in by next month. Lilroush on www.v6power.net did it. "An adaptor "box" is how I'm running mine right now, until I get that other lower figured out. It allowed me to use the EGR and not mess with coolant lines.
It did lift the entire thing a little high though. It wouldn't fit under a stock hood.

The full lower is a better idea."

Logan2003Cobra · Dec 16, 2005

I agree that the full lower is a better idea, but there is a lot more involved to make it work. And I figured a cowl would be needed, but I'm hoping it will fit under a 00 Cobra R hood (it's my wife's car, and that's the hood she likes). Then there is the issue of making sure that there is enough belt wrap... regardless, it should be fun

zincyellow03 · Dec 16, 2005

So how much would it add hp wise?

OxMox · Dec 16, 2005

prolly bout 50-60rwhp on your cars , it's a decent blower but not a after market procharger or kenne bell

zincyellow03 · Dec 16, 2005

OxMox said:
prolly bout 50-60rwhp on your cars , it's a decent blower but not a after market procharger or kenne bell

Of course the aftermarket ones are better but it's all about the $$$.

OxMox · Dec 16, 2005

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cobra232 · Dec 17, 2005

new age tuning will never have their kit on the market. they have been coming out with the kit soon for about 2 years or so now.

the M112 will add about 120rwhp or more to the 3.8 if done right. hell a procharger 11 psi kit adds 100hp

TMX post pics of your adapter box for the M112 blower. what injectors are you using and what other upgrades have you done to use the M112

edit sorry TMX you were quoting Lilroush

i have seen pics of his and doubt it works. in his pics there is too little belt wrap around the blower pulley. he was involved with New Age Tuning but i think he went separate ways with them. V6Sprout on V6power has an M112 setup but i have never seen pics of his

here is a link to Lilroush and his supposed setup
http://www.v6mustangforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=13422&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30

i questioned the belt wrap and he said that the pic was the New Age kit but didn't post a pic of his kit but the pic was of his car and his intention was to post the pic for people to assume that it was his working kit. i don't believe it is a running kit

TMX · Dec 18, 2005

No, he redid the belt so it has MUCH more grip on the newage kit. And yeah, that pic is his setup with the adapter from what it looks to me. Dyno on it should be by next month. I wouldn't mind putting a KB on a 3.8 though, oh that would be exciting. Plus that is about 180 degrees (maybe 150-170ish) and I wouldn't plan on 6000 rpms. If it all works, I wouldn't mind testing it out, got 2 stangs and I would keep all stock parts. Plus I know shops, mechanics and whatnot so if I wanted to custom something, move something and adjust the belts, I could. I think the main reason I would want a twin screw on a '00 3.8 is because you just don't see them.

Lex · Dec 23, 2005

When you say you can get them for cheap, whats the prices you found? I been thinking about it myself

zincyellow03 · Dec 23, 2005

I saw some from anywhere from $150-500.

tomustang · Dec 25, 2005

the fabbing makes it not worth it, might as well look for a kit designed for your car

tomustang · Dec 25, 2005

cobra232 said:
the M112 will add about 120rwhp or more to the 3.8 if done right. hell a procharger 11 psi kit adds 100hp

you wont even see that much at the engine on a proper setup car let alone a v6

TMX · Dec 25, 2005

At 11psi, you ought to see a 100 hp boost from a 99+ V6. If 160 rwhp is stock, then 11psi would boost you to 279-280 rwhp-ish under 11psi of boost with 14.7 psi of atmospheric pressure. With the inefficiencies and ect, it might only be 230-250 but still, that is about 70-90 rwhp.

cobra232 · Dec 27, 2005

tomustang said:
you wont even see that much at the engine on a proper setup car let alone a v6

i got 100rwhp gain just from the addition of my 11 psi procharger.

dyno'd 122rwhp with duals,3.73's and 1.8's

dyno'd 227rwhp/267ftlbs with just the 11 psi kit on stock 14lb injectors. apparently you don't have alot of experience with the essex 3.8
here is the dyno sheet after procharging it with no tune and just 14lb injectors and Procharger FMU,stock MAF. not a very proper setup and picked up 100rwhp. and wow it's a V6 too

98CobraClone · Dec 28, 2005

232 speaks the truth......procharger kicks a$$

If it matters, my HP was about the same as 232's, but I dyno'd at 365 rwtq..........impressed the heck out of me

Ernad · Dec 28, 2005

Nice tq curve

And I wonder how long those stock engines will last.

98CobraClone · Dec 29, 2005

I put the procharger on at 45,000 miles. I rolled over 100,000 miles last month........

cobra232 · Dec 29, 2005

Ernad said:
Nice tq curve

And I wonder how long those stock engines will last.

torque curve isn't that bad at all and is typical of a Cent blower setup unlike a pool table flat roots torque curve. and don't forget that dyno was without any tuning efforts

my engine lasted 40,000 miles without a tune at 11psi. the 3.8's are very stout engines. properly tuned 11+ psi on an internally stock 3.8 will last just as long as a factory stock setup N/A car

Justin at www.vmptuning.com has ran 17psi in an internally stock 3.8 and runs no less that 14 psi on his TT setup and has been running that car for about a year now with the same setup

learn alittle more about the 3.8 and cent blower power curves before you make another uneducated post

Windstar-PSI · Jan 17, 2008

M112 on my 3.8.....

Everyone who's wanted to bolt a M112 S/C on their 3.8, the time has come! Tom at supersixmotorsports.com has come out with an adapter. My engine is currently being finished up at his Georgia shop and I should have it Feb of '08. He's a hell of a nice guy to work with and his work is second to none! Granted some of you may feel that putting an additional 125 hp on a '96 Windstar is nuts but I always raced before breaking my neck 22 years ago when I raced, restored and unfortunately sold my 428 CJ Mach 1's. That was long before the prices went through the roof and a van was more sensible than the car...hind sight!

Check with Tom and look at his web site where you'll find pics of the engines.

Here's a picture of my engine in mock up stage only.

Good luck,

Bruce

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