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tca7291

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Boo, I gotta tear it all down again. Water in oil. Don't buy cheap gaskets, or rely on RTV. At least now I know I won't be messin with broken studs.
 

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Did your fix go wrong or did you find it after fixing it?
 

tca7291

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Found it after putting everything back together. I did the job at my buddies house, that is 90 miles away from where I live, and after driving back home, I pulled the dipstick and there was just a small drop of the "coffee" looking water/oil mix at the very bottom. So I am assuming that I have a small water leak right in between the timing cover, and the block. I am ordering a set of fel-pro gaskets to redo it.
 

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Sorry to hear, hope round two goes well. Cant go wrong with the Fel-pro kit. Purchased a "trick flow" gasket kit a few years ago and found that they were just Fel-pro gaskets.
 

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X3 on the anti seize....
 

mikestang63

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You can put together the proper bolts and studs by doing the following: (thanks to Noobz)

*All bolts are 5/16"-18

Water pump:
4 bolts - 3 1/4"
2 bolts - 4 1/4"
2 bolts - 1 1/4"
1 bolt - 2 1/4"

Additional timing cover bolts:
2 bolts - 2 1/4"
2 bolts - 2 1/2"

You can get the studs at Autozone/Discount under the Dorman or Motormite brand Part Number: 23744
 

tca7291

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Thanks guys, I know round two will go a lot better, given that I know that I won't have any seized bolts to deal with. I haven't messed with it yet, or driven her sense I noticed this leak, I refuse to run the engine until I get the oil changed. I decided to take a few days off from messing with it, probably deal with it next weekend.
 

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ARP also sells a complete bolt and stud kit for the water pump, 5.0Resto has them.
 

tca7291

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Ahhhhhh!!!!!!
 

tca7291

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Finished the second tear down and rebuild yesterday afternoon, going to do a much needed oil change this afternoon, and I plan on just using some cheap oil for more or less than a flush, and then change it again in about 100-150 miles to work any residual water out. Does this sound good, or do any of you guys have any other suggestions?
 

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Thats what I would do. New oil and filter, make sure ya drain both plugs, run it a little while. I wouldn't do but about 10-20 miles and dump it. Get it hot and then let it drain for a good while with the plugs out. I doubt 100-150 would hurt it either. Most will evaporate.
 

tca7291

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Thanks gearheadboy, that is kinda what I noticed today. One thing that I also noticed that makes me feel a lot better is that I barely got any water out of the rear sump, so I don't think the oil pump pickup was really picking up much water at all. The front sump was flooded with water, but I think most of that was from the last tear down. Oil looked relatively clean, and O'Reilly's has a hell of a deal on conventional oil right now! Just to be safe, I am planning on running her for about a week, week and a half, then do another oil change. I am planning on going over to my buddies shop the weekend after next to put an off road h-pipe on, which is 90 miles away from me, so I am just going to monitor it until then, if I still see traces of water in the fresh oil, I will change it before that drive, but if it still looks healthy then I plan on doing the next change over there. Thanks for everyones help!!!!!!
 

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I know its not much help now, but for the next time, try "right stuff" RTV. Any time i have gaskets that are anywhere near water, i use this stuff, it is expensive, but it is good. Never had a leak with it
 

tca7291

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Hmm, haven't heard of that, I usually use permetex, except when I was still living in MD I used to be able to get Kobota professional stuff. That s*** was awesome!
 

tca7291

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Yes, I am resurrecting my old thread. With that said, I had to put on a water pump on my work truck today! '98 Chebby 1500, 288k miles on the cute little vortec 4.3. Took me about a hour. What the hell FoMoCo???
 

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No chit! changed the WP on my brothers 1500 wt 6 cyl in about an hour.
 

tca7291

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Oh yeah, and btw my 5.0 oil is all cleaned out now, and looking fresh!!!
 

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Water and oil seperate homie just because it came out of the front dosent mean it diddnt get sucked up the pump. . Look how bad that oil on the cap was. At a maximum I woulda drove 20 miles and changed the oil.
 

tca7291

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I've done 2 changes sense the initial, and I am sure that it is all clean now. I am still just praying that my main/rod bearings didn't get damaged from this little incident. No knocks yet!! *knocks on wood*
 

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Try using grade 8 bolts, the hardest part is finding all the lengths you need. If you have an ac delete kit its pretty easy to get by without actually using studs
 
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