Roush When is a fake not a fake?

SVT Saleen · Oct 3, 2005

Not quite sure what to make of these:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford...iewItemQQcategoryZ6236QQitemZ4579785735QQrdZ1

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford...iewItemQQcategoryZ6236QQitemZ4579822105QQrdZ1

The first one certainly appears highly dubious despite the evidence of the engine compartment & console plates. The former plate looks in suspiciously good condition considering the surrounding engine & compartment are in such derelict condition. Not to mention the 4-lug wheels, lack of evidence of a strut tower brace ever being installed & the owner's pitiful attempt to make it more "attractive" with that questionable paint job & graphics package.

The second one is a bit more plausible, but yet again the owner's questionable taste in interior/exterior appearance "upgrades" lends some doubt. Also the engine & surrounding compartment appears rather neglected for a vehicle that purportedly has only 38,000 original miles.

Hmmm...

ag lightning · Oct 3, 2005

When it has the creditials to back itself up on.

marcus95 · Oct 3, 2005

They both make me cringe. Amazing what can happen to a nice car in 16 years or so. That first car is salvaged. Maybe they took the brakes. That's all I can think of for now. I have to close the window becuase both were making me sick.

88FoxSaleen · Oct 3, 2005

the first one is fake, fake & fake! the 4 lugs tell all.
i would believe the second is real as the gauges, steering wheel & shift knob are all correct for 88 but it has the 89+ rear valance. all i have to say is what happened to the flofit seats it came with? the car has 38K & those sh???y seats are in there? why would someone remove the flofits & door panel inserts & replace them with those? :-(

Jay-

Saleen Mike · Oct 4, 2005

The second car says it has the SA-10 hood which is not true.

It has the Steeda "Replica" hood of the SA-10 which is different. The vents are closer to the front of the car, and the Steeda one is a cowl hood, where the real SA-10 hood has a profile similar to OE.

I could go out to the Garage-Mahal to verify this, but all I had to do was ask the kids if the hood pictured on ebay looks like their sled

S351R"Animal" · Oct 4, 2005

That is so wrong!

saleen065 · Oct 4, 2005

Mike, you make me cringe everytime You say that.

marcus95 · Oct 5, 2005

I know. No more snow rides on that thing, please.

Evil86lx · Oct 5, 2005

The first car is sporting a non H.O 1986 intake. Well at least the intake plate is from either a T-bird or a Lincoln.

I also like how the engine plaque was pop riveted over the top of something. You can see the left over hole's and a imprint of what ever was there at one time.

WTF is up with those headlight's.

kyle

s351rspeedster · Oct 5, 2005

Some one grab The Saleen Book and end the discussion about both cars........ Don't have mine handy as it is still packed away in the garage from the move. I wouldn't touch either one, for one they aren't white....

S351R"Animal" · Oct 5, 2005

The first one is a definite fake! VIN doesn't check out. The second one is real. I believe I have see the second one in a magazine several years ago. The owner wanted a SA-10 clone.

88FoxSaleen · Oct 5, 2005

SR351R i think you might be right. i do recall a car in MM&FF years ago just like this one. it had yellow 16" Saleen 5 spoke rims on it. way back then i said the same thing i am saying now, what was this guy thinking? i believe the car was originally blue. i maybe wrong. maybe i will thumb though my 12 year MM&FF collection & find the article to compare.

Jay-

SVT Saleen · Oct 6, 2005

OMIGAWD!!! We have another one:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford...iewItemQQcategoryZ6236QQitemZ4580396759QQrdZ1

This guy is such a tool. He even goes so far as to openly defy anyone to challenge his claim that his obvious fake is the real deal:

ANY QUESTIONS PLEASE E- MAIL. THIS IS A REAL SALEEN SO PLEASE DON'T EMAIL ME IF YOU DISAGREE, MEANING SERIOUS INQUIRES ONLY

Geez, where do these people come from?!?

BobV · Oct 6, 2005

Wow, a 95 "S281", with a 5.0 engine - that'll rewrite the Saleen history books.....

Edit:
It gets even better - he claims it's car #97 of 110 based on this plate:
View attachment 501865

Jeez - if you're going to create an air car, at least get the ID plate stamping right...

SVT Saleen · Oct 6, 2005

But wait, there's more:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford...iewItemQQcategoryZ6236QQitemZ4579781770QQrdZ1

At least this owner has installed "authentic" Saleen badging...

(Yes, I am a bit obsessed with fakes being misrepresented; in many cases deliberately, as real)

BobV · Oct 6, 2005

Gotta love "S281 Supercharged" badging on a V6/Auto car...
It's the stuff legends are made of (on the Honda "kill story" boards).

S351R"Animal" · Oct 6, 2005

The so called 95 Saleen has been reported to ebay for a listing violation!

HazeGray · Oct 6, 2005

S351R"Animal" said:
The so called 95 Saleen has been reported to ebay for a listing violation!

Sent a message to the seller...

Sorry, but this car is NOT an authentic Saleen. The last three VIN for your car is '042'. The correct last three VIN for '97-0110' is '701'. By the way, 97-0110 means 1997 S281 S/N 110...and not 97 of 110 as you have listed.

You have a 5.0L motor and the Saleen ID Tag says S281??? Explain that?

Just to set it straight...they made 126 S351's in 1995 (S-281's began production in 1996). In 1997 they made 327 S-281's and 40 S-351's. Your numbers are off.

I don't mind clones...I just hate fakes being passed off as the real deal.

saleen065 · Oct 6, 2005

Thanks for writing that as I was about to write and just tell him he is full of ****!

S281SC#08 · Oct 6, 2005

you must post the reply if he does reply

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