• Mustang Forums
  • 2005 - 2014 S-197 Mustang -General/Talk-

2010 Camaro

  • Thread starter Thread starter SS02
  • Start date Start date Jun 28, 2009
Prev
  • 1
  • …
  • 8
  • 9
  • 10
  • 11
  • 12
  • …
  • 25
Next
First Prev 10 of 25 Next Last
T

Top Speed

New Member
Jun 26, 2009
365
0
0
Kearneysville, WV
Sep 13, 2009
#181
  • Sep 13, 2009
  • #181
SS02 said:
Well its all but confirmed about the Track pack for the Camaro, its obvious the Camaro isnt a great handler, although it only finished 1.4 ticks behind the GT500 at the nuhremburg (I spelled that wrong). Styling is to each his own, I know alot that hate the rear of the Stang, although I think it looks alot better after some time seeing it.

The 1977 Z28 isnt a road handler either ....although gorgous
Click to expand...

I'm not a big fan of the rear of the 2010 Stang, but I have seen ways to make it look better. The rear of a car can be fixed. An entire car itself (the Camaro) can't be fixed.

The times that both, the Camaro and the Shelby put down at the Nurburgring are very unimpressive to me. The Camaro did the Nurburgring in only two seconds faster than a Cobalt SS, and then GM shook their pom-poms like this was some sort of fantastically accomplished feat (given the pig's 4000 lb weight, it may have been...). Those two seconds were undoubtedly gained in a straight line, one in which the Cobalt never recovered from.

While you're chewing on that, let's put it into perspective. We have a newly designed vehicle with an independent rear suspension, slick 6spd manual, RWD, over 400 hp and 400 lb-ft of torque from a 6.2L V8 that circled the Nurburgring in only two seconds faster than a hotted-up FWD economy car.

Good job, GM.

Now, there's word that GM is going to put a "Track Pack" on the Camaro. How much time do you think that's going to shave off of a lap at the Nurburgring? GM will be lucky if it shaves off 5 seconds, which IMO, on a track over 10 miles long is not much of an accomplishment, and is hardly going to be worth a thing in the real world.

Maybe you're fooled into thinking the new Camaro is a great car, but hey, to each his/her own...
 
J

Justin01

Founding Member
Apr 22, 2002
546
0
0
Texas
Sep 13, 2009
#182
  • Sep 13, 2009
  • #182
Top Speed said:
Now, there's word that GM is going to put a "Track Pack" on the Camaro.
Click to expand...

So the camaro has never been highly reguarded as a corner carver.....so is the "track pack" going to be something for the drag strip, or the auto cross? What's included? Shocks and springs and gears? Or something more for the corners? I think they tried valiantly to incorporate some of the vette-ness into this car, but you're right, it is too heavy.
 
T

Top Speed

New Member
Jun 26, 2009
365
0
0
Kearneysville, WV
Sep 13, 2009
#183
  • Sep 13, 2009
  • #183
Justin01 said:
So the camaro has never been highly reguarded as a corner carver.....so is the "track pack" going to be something for the drag strip, or the auto cross? What's included? Shocks and springs and gears? Or something more for the corners? I think they tried valiantly to incorporate some of the vette-ness into this car, but you're right, it is too heavy.
Click to expand...

Well if they were trying to incorporate some "Vette-ness" into it, they certainly fell VERY short. In the past, the Camaro has always been on the heels of the Vette in terms of acceleration; always between 10-30 horses, and usually it was because of the routing of an exhaust and a restrictive air intake. The Camaro has also always been within 200-300 lbs of the Vette; not so this time around. GM wanted to make very sure that the Camaro wasn't going to dig into Vette sales.

In the grand scheme of things, it won't matter if this Track Pack is going to be for the dragstrip or for autocross. It's still going to be a 4000 lb car.
 
S

SS02

New Member
May 30, 2009
427
0
0
Fort Worth, Texas
Sep 13, 2009
#184
  • Sep 13, 2009
  • #184
Well you have your opinion and I have mine
 
T

Top Speed

New Member
Jun 26, 2009
365
0
0
Kearneysville, WV
Sep 13, 2009
#185
  • Sep 13, 2009
  • #185
SS02 said:
Well you have your opinion and I have mine
Click to expand...

Everything I stated in my previous post is pure fact.
 
S

SS02

New Member
May 30, 2009
427
0
0
Fort Worth, Texas
Sep 13, 2009
#186
  • Sep 13, 2009
  • #186
Good for you, You hate the Camaro, so this argument leads no where...... Its a Fatcow to you lol....

Also the Turbo SS Cobalt is a littler burner, impressive it stays just 2 seconds behind a Camaro and GT500

As far as the Track pack goes, If the Camaro lost 5 seconds off its current time, it would have beat every car in the new motortrend except the ZR1 at that track. Thats impressive.....although I have no idea what the Trackpack is going to offer. I hope a stiffer suspension setup, a taller gear ratio..maybe 4.11s with it being a 6 speed and all, and some nice sticky tires like the new mustang Track pack is going to offer.
 
T

Top Speed

New Member
Jun 26, 2009
365
0
0
Kearneysville, WV
Sep 14, 2009
#187
  • Sep 14, 2009
  • #187
SS02 said:
Good for you, You hate the Camaro, so this argument leads no where...... Its a Fatcow to you lol....

Also the Turbo SS Cobalt is a littler burner, impressive it stays just 2 seconds behind a Camaro and GT500

As far as the Track pack goes, If the Camaro lost 5 seconds off its current time, it would have beat every car in the new motortrend except the ZR1 at that track. Thats impressive.....although I have no idea what the Trackpack is going to offer. I hope a stiffer suspension setup, a taller gear ratio..maybe 4.11s with it being a 6 speed and all, and some nice sticky tires like the new mustang Track pack is going to offer.
Click to expand...

Actually, it's good for Ford that I hate the new Camaro.

And yes, an accomplishment....FOR THE COBALT SS, and an insult to two V8 Muscle Cars that are $10,000-$25,000 more expensive and have nearly double the hp for one and more than double the hp for the other.

I don't read Motor Trench, so I wouldn't know about the times of the cars in the newest issue, but I did manage to thumb through an issue of Motor Trench at the store where I saw the fat cow place 10th in a "Top 10 Best" contest.

If I'm not already, I'd like to be the first to congratulate GM on their last place finish.
 
M

MeanMike

New Member
Sep 11, 2009
36
1
0
Maine & Indiana
Sep 14, 2009
#188
  • Sep 14, 2009
  • #188
Even if the 2011/2012 Mustang weigh's more I think the big thing with it will be the fact that you wont be able to see it as you can with the fat ass Camaro.I mean you can literally see that the Camaro has made to many trip's through the Mc Donald's drive through.
 
T

Top Speed

New Member
Jun 26, 2009
365
0
0
Kearneysville, WV
Sep 14, 2009
#189
  • Sep 14, 2009
  • #189
MeanMike said:
Even if the 2011/2012 Mustang weigh's more I think the big thing with it will be the fact that you wont be able to see it as you can with the fat ass Camaro.I mean you can literally see that the Camaro has made to many trip's through the Mc Donald's drive through.
Click to expand...

Agreed.
 

Fast05

New Member
Sep 16, 2005
409
1
0
Corpus Christi, TX
Sep 14, 2009
#190
  • Sep 14, 2009
  • #190
MeanMike said:
Even if the 2011/2012 Mustang weigh's more I think the big thing with it will be the fact that you wont be able to see it as you can with the fat ass Camaro.I mean you can literally see that the Camaro has made to many trip's through the Mc Donald's drive through.
Click to expand...

I've had the opportunity to park next to a Challenger and a Camaro in the past few weeks both of those cars make my Mustang look small. I just hope that when Ford intros the new engine the Mustang doesn't get porky. Obviously it'll gain a little weight, but I'd be much more impressed if it came in under 3700 lbs with 400hp than if it was tipping the scales at over 3900.
 
M

MeanMike

New Member
Sep 11, 2009
36
1
0
Maine & Indiana
Sep 14, 2009
#191
  • Sep 14, 2009
  • #191
Fast05 said:
I've had the opportunity to park next to a Challenger and a Camaro in the past few weeks both of those cars make my Mustang look small. I just hope that when Ford intros the new engine the Mustang doesn't get porky. Obviously it'll gain a little weight, but I'd be much more impressed if it came in under 3700 lbs with 400hp than if it was tipping the scales at over 3900.
Click to expand...

It hurt's me to say this but atleast with the Challenger it does'nt look over weight like the Camaro it's just a big car. Even if the stang gain's some weight I really dont believe it will be noticable.
 
S

SS02

New Member
May 30, 2009
427
0
0
Fort Worth, Texas
Sep 14, 2009
#192
  • Sep 14, 2009
  • #192
Top Speed said:
Actually, it's good for Ford that I hate the new Camaro.

And yes, an accomplishment....FOR THE COBALT SS, and an insult to two V8 Muscle Cars that are $10,000-$25,000 more expensive and have nearly double the hp for one and more than double the hp for the other.

I don't read Motor Trench, so I wouldn't know about the times of the cars in the newest issue, but I did manage to thumb through an issue of Motor Trench at the store where I saw the fat cow place 10th in a "Top 10 Best" contest.

If I'm not already, I'd like to be the first to congratulate GM on their last place finish.
Click to expand...

That was an article by two journalists, they placed a car based on how they felt. The Miata was in the top 5.....really lol..........and of course, it being Motor Trend...the Porshe Won.... surprise surprise.
 
T

Top Speed

New Member
Jun 26, 2009
365
0
0
Kearneysville, WV
Sep 14, 2009
#193
  • Sep 14, 2009
  • #193
SS02 said:
That was an article by two journalists, they placed a car based on how they felt. The Miata was in the top 5.....really lol..........and of course, it being Motor Trend...the Porshe Won.... surprise surprise.
Click to expand...

Well, the best car isn't always the fastest. Have you ever driven a Miata? They are not the fastest cars in the world, but they are pure, unadulterated sports cars in every sense of the word. They are an absolute blast to drive, and if I just wanted a pure sports car, I would definitely consider one. They're "snappy," they're well balanced, light, they have a positive-shifting "snick-snick" gearbox; they're just so much fun.

I don't put much stock in magazines, especially Car & Driver and Road & Track. They hug BMW's nuts, no matter what sort of crap product they put out. I've driven countless BMWs, and let me tell you, they aren't as great as the magazines would have you believe. A few years ago one of them pitted a BMW M3 Vs. a Corvette and the Vette owned it in EVERY performance category. Apparently, this "dual" was exclusively on performance, and the BMW won because it had back seats and a nicer interior. I didn't realize either one of them had anything to do with performance.

These nut-huggers go out and rate which ever manufacturer's cars the highest that pay them the most.
 
S

SS02

New Member
May 30, 2009
427
0
0
Fort Worth, Texas
Sep 15, 2009
#194
  • Sep 15, 2009
  • #194
I agree with the Miata....but there explanation about why just confuses one... you have to read the article and decide for yourself, they contradict themselves. I didnt bother me like its bothered other Camaro owners. Its an opinion based article is all it is, they shouldnt get upset.....kinda of crazy though that your picking cars ranging from a Miata to a ZR1 and your deciding the best car, the comparisons were numbing lol.
 
T

Top Speed

New Member
Jun 26, 2009
365
0
0
Kearneysville, WV
Sep 15, 2009
#195
  • Sep 15, 2009
  • #195
SS02 said:
I agree with the Miata....but there explanation about why just confuses one... you have to read the article and decide for yourself, they contradict themselves. I didnt bother me like its bothered other Camaro owners. Its an opinion based article is all it is, they shouldnt get upset.....kinda of crazy though that your picking cars ranging from a Miata to a ZR1 and your deciding the best car, the comparisons were numbing lol.
Click to expand...

All of those magazines are ridiculous. I never look at them for anything more than bathroom reading.

Sure, when I'm in the market for a new car, I certainly read the articles, but I only take them for face-value. They aren't gospel for me on purchasing one car over another just because it won some stupid, fixed "contest."

C&D ranted about how cheap the Pontiac G6's interior is, and while it's no Audi interior, it was certainly on par with everything in its class. I know, because my parents own a G6. I have driven it numerous times, and it's as well-screwed together as any interior you'd find in a Toyota, Mazda, Subaru, whatever.

As an example of typical "stackings of decks," which all of these magazines partake in, C&D also rated the interior of the Mazda 6 as greatly improved over the previous model. Well, I have news for all of you; it's really not that great. It's no better than the G6's interior in terms of materials used or the fit/finish of them.
 
S

SS02

New Member
May 30, 2009
427
0
0
Fort Worth, Texas
Sep 22, 2009
#196
  • Sep 22, 2009
  • #196
GAME ON - Z/28 Back on !!

Chevrolet Camaro Z28 is GO! - Motor Trend

The Z/28 is scheduled for 2011

Powered by a LSA 6.2L Supercharged - 556Hp

The CTS-V with this engines runs 0-60 in 4.2 and 12.6 in the 1/4, all while carrying 4200lbs. The Z is supposed to be lighter and more refined than the current SS.

WHOO HOOO
 
T

Top Speed

New Member
Jun 26, 2009
365
0
0
Kearneysville, WV
Sep 22, 2009
#197
  • Sep 22, 2009
  • #197
SS02 said:
Chevrolet Camaro Z28 is GO! - Motor Trend

The Z/28 is scheduled for 2011

Powered by a LSA 6.2L Supercharged - 556Hp

The CTS-V with this engines runs 0-60 in 4.2 and 12.6 in the 1/4, all while carrying 4200lbs. The Z is supposed to be lighter and more refined than the current SS.

WHOO HOOO
Click to expand...

Soooo, how's this car going to be lighter? It's going to have a supercharger lopped on top of the engine, which weighs more, plus it may even have LARGER brakes, and probably a heavier duty suspension.

Be prepared to pay nearly $50,000; on target with the Shelby GT500.
 
S

SS02

New Member
May 30, 2009
427
0
0
Fort Worth, Texas
Sep 22, 2009
#198
  • Sep 22, 2009
  • #198
Its sole purpose is to compete with the Shelby !! As far as weight, I dunno...Suspension will probably be tightened up...dont mean alot of weight....Im sure it will still equip the SS Brakes, I mean comeon...their 14inches in the front and 14.4 in the back !! Dont see why they would go bigger. Look for it to be around 3900lbs. Unless they gut it out and make it a track car. Id say mid 40s low 50s.
 
T

Top Speed

New Member
Jun 26, 2009
365
0
0
Kearneysville, WV
Sep 23, 2009
#199
  • Sep 23, 2009
  • #199
SS02 said:
Its sole purpose is to compete with the Shelby !! As far as weight, I dunno...Suspension will probably be tightened up...dont mean alot of weight....Im sure it will still equip the SS Brakes, I mean comeon...their 14inches in the front and 14.4 in the back !! Dont see why they would go bigger. Look for it to be around 3900lbs. Unless they gut it out and make it a track car. Id say mid 40s low 50s.
Click to expand...

The rear brakes are larger than the fronts? Any idiot knows that the front brakes do the majority of the stopping...well, obviously except for GM. No wonder they went under...

It's pretty screwed up that if they're trimming weight, they're going to trim it on a vehicle that's pretty much priced out of the range of most Camaro enthusiasts. What they should be doing is offering a 1LE package on the V6 and SS models.
 

Fast05

New Member
Sep 16, 2005
409
1
0
Corpus Christi, TX
Sep 23, 2009
#200
  • Sep 23, 2009
  • #200
SS02 said:
Chevrolet Camaro Z28 is GO! - Motor Trend

The Z/28 is scheduled for 2011

Powered by a LSA 6.2L Supercharged - 556Hp

The CTS-V with this engines runs 0-60 in 4.2 and 12.6 in the 1/4, all while carrying 4200lbs. The Z is supposed to be lighter and more refined than the current SS.

WHOO HOOO
Click to expand...

So, let me get this straight, they're going to offer a 556 HP Camaro for less than a Corvette? Give me a break. And why is a company running on tax payer money devoting time and money into a project like this? I understand having the Camaro, but geez if you GM guys want to go that fast for your money just buy a Corvette and call it a day, it'll weigh 1000lbs less and handle far better. Oh, and good luck getting it lighter. If they spend too much money making it lighter they'll just put it into Corvette price range, which I already see happening anyways.
 
Prev
  • 1
  • …
  • 8
  • 9
  • 10
  • 11
  • 12
  • …
  • 25
Next
First Prev 10 of 25 Next Last
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

J
Progress Thread Family member 1989 GT- Backstory and updates
  • JRC99
  • Apr 19, 2025
  • 1979 - 1995 (Fox, SN95.0, & 2.3L) -General/Talk-
Replies
15
Views
1K
1979 - 1995 (Fox, SN95.0, & 2.3L) -General/Talk- Oct 26, 2025
JRC99
J
2
Bought an engine for my project
  • 2stroke1971
  • Jul 7, 2024
  • 1979 - 1995 (Fox, SN95.0, & 2.3L) -General/Talk-
Replies
15
Views
1K
1979 - 1995 (Fox, SN95.0, & 2.3L) -General/Talk- Jul 9, 2024
limp
Engine No start issue AGAIN!
  • ucnhtmenow1
  • Sep 1, 2024
  • SN95 4.6L Mustang Tech
Replies
5
Views
934
SN95 4.6L Mustang Tech Sep 11, 2024
89ripper
My Stupid Rearview Mirror (with solution)
  • ChillPhatCat
  • Sep 26, 2023
  • 1979 - 1995 (Fox, SN95.0, & 2.3L) -General/Talk-
Replies
6
Views
2K
1979 - 1995 (Fox, SN95.0, & 2.3L) -General/Talk- Oct 5, 2023
ChillPhatCat
M
Progress Thread mnky99 2001 V6 evap core, ac compressor, heater core replacement
  • mnky99
  • Sep 5, 2025
  • 1996 - 2004 SN95 Mustang -General/Talk-
Replies
1
Views
492
1996 - 2004 SN95 Mustang -General/Talk- Sep 5, 2025
mnky99
M
Share:
Bluesky Email Share Link
  • Mustang Forums
  • 2005 - 2014 S-197 Mustang -General/Talk-
Menu
Log in

Register

  • Forums
  • What's new
  • Media
  • Resources
  • Contact
  • Sponsor
X

Privacy & Transparency

We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:

  • Personalized ads and content
  • Content measurement and audience insights

Do you accept cookies and these technologies?

X

Privacy & Transparency

We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:

  • Personalized ads and content
  • Content measurement and audience insights

Do you accept cookies and these technologies?