88 Mustang GT Help !!!

fastfordguy

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i just purchased an 88 mustang gt 5.0 5 speed hatchback. the problem is that the kid i got it from said the guy he bought it from said it needed a distributor because it didnt get any spark, the kid replaced the distributer with the one from his 91 mustang gt 5.0 which was rolled but still ran when he took it out which i also own now and it still didnt give spark. he has tryed 3 different coils including the good one from the running 91.


somone told me the computer? and some box in the fender well which could be bad?

anyone know what could be the problem? and the 91 parts should interchange right?


looks like somone wired a alarm system up to the car a while ago which looks old. but it was running after that so i dont think thats the problem.

any help would be nice.


also i only paid 1200 for both mustang! good deal? 88 gt hatch no spark 5 speed and 91 gt hatch wrecked from rollover auto tranny runs and moves still. the 88 also has some chrome Center Line wheels which look expensive, headers,dual folowmasters, h-pipe. was told the engine is really "Worked" but havnt heard it run yet to find out.
 
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they are being towed to my house tonight, i will examine the mustang with no spark and try to start it and try to give more info on it if i can. i am no expert on these mustangs but i will see what i can come up with. thanks for the reply
 
Ignition parts from 86-93 are the same, including the distributor.

Cranks OK, but No Start Checklist for Fuel Injected Mustangs

1.) Remove push on connector from starter solenoid and turn ignition switch on. Place car in neutral or Park. Remove coil wire from distributor & and hold 3/8” away from engine block. Jumper the screw to the big bolt on the starter solenoid that has the battery wire connected to it. You should get a nice fat blue spark.
Most of the items are electrical in nature, so a test light, or even better, a voltmeter, is helpful to be sure they have power to them.
No spark, possible failed items in order of their probability:
A.) MSD or Crane ignition box if so equipped
B.) Coil
C.) TFI module
D.) PIP sensor in distributor
E.) ECC relay next to computer - look for 12 volts at the fuel injector red wires
F.) Fuse links in wiring harness - look for 12 volts at the fuel injector red wires. All the fuse links live in a bundle up near the starter solenoid.
G.) Ignition switch - look for 12 volts at the ignition coil red/lt green wire.
H.) Computer

See the following links for wiring diagrams...

http://www.autozone.com/servlet/UiB..._us/0900823d/80/16/71/3c/0900823d8016713c.jsp for 79-88 model cars

http://www.autozone.com/servlet/UiB..._us/0900823d/80/19/59/5a/0900823d8019595a.jsp for 89-93 model cars

http://www.autozone.com/servlet/UiB..._us/0900823d/80/1d/db/3c/0900823d801ddb3c.jsp for 94-98 model cars


2.) Spark at coil wire, pull #1 plug wire off at the spark plug and check to see spark. No spark, possible failed items in order of their probability:
A.) Moisture inside distributor – remove cap, dry off & spray with WD40
B.) Distributor cap
C.) Rotor
D.) Spark Plug wires
E.) Coil weak or intermittent - you should see 3/8" fat blue spark with a good coil

3.) Spark at spark plug, but no start.
Next, get a can of starting fluid (ether) from your local auto parts store: costs a $1.30 or so. Then pull the air duct off at the throttle body elbow, open the throttle, and spray the ether in it. Reconnect the air duct and try to start the car. Do not try to start the car without reconnecting the air duct.
Two reasons:
1.) If it backfires, the chance for a serious fire is increased.
2.) On Mass Air cars, the computer needs to measure the MAF flow once the engine starts.
If it starts then, you have a fuel management issue. Continue the checklist with emphasis of fuel related items that follow. If it doesn’t, then it is a computer or timing issue: see Step 4.

Clue – listen for the fuel pump to prime when you first turn the ignition switch on. It should run for 5-20 seconds and shut off. To trick the fuel pump into running, find the ECC test connector and jump the connector in the lower RH corner to ground. See http://www.mustangworks.com/article...c-iv_codes.html for a description of the test connector. If the relay & inertia switch are OK, you will have power to the pump. Check fuel pressure – remove the cap from the schrader valve behind the alternator and depress the core. Fuel should squirt out, catch it in a rag. Beware of fire hazard when you do this. In pinch you can use a tire pressure gauge to measure the fuel pressure. It may not be completely accurate, but you will have some clue as to how much pressure you have.

No fuel pressure, possible failed items in order of their probability:
A.) Tripped inertia switch – Coupe & hatch cars hide it under the plastic trim covering the driver's side taillight. Use the voltmeter or test light to make sure you have power to both sides of the switch
B.) Fuel pump power relay – located under the driver’s seat in most stangs built before 92. On 92 and later model cars it is located below the Mass Air Flow meter. Look for 12 volts at the Pink/Black wire on the fuel pump relay.
C.) Clogged fuel filter
D.) Failed fuel pump
E.) Blown fuse link in wiring harness. Look for 12 volts at the Orange/Lt Blue wire on the fuel pump relay. The fuse links live in the wiring harness near the starter solenoid.
F.) Fuel pressure regulator failed. Remove vacuum line from regulator and inspect for fuel escaping while pump is running.

Fuel pressure OK, the injectors are not firing.

A.) A Noid light available from Autozone, is one way to test the injector wiring.
B.) I like to use an old injector with compressed air applied to the injector where the fuel rail would normally connect. I hook the whole thing up, apply compressed air to the injector and stick it in a paper cup of soapy water. When the engine cranks with the ignition switch on, if the injector fires, it makes bubbles. Cheap if you have the stuff laying around, and works good too.

a.) Pull an injector wire connector off and look for 12 volts on the red wire when the ignition switch is on.
b.) No power, then look for problems with the 10 pin connecter (salt & pepper shakers at the rear of the upper manifold).
c.) No power and the 10 pin connections are good: look for broken wiring between the orange/black wire on the ECC relay and the red wire for the 10 pin connectors.


4.) Spark & fuel pressure OK.

A.) Failed IAB (no airflow to start engine). Press the throttle ¼ way down and try to start the car.
B.) Failed computer (not very likely)
C.) Engine ignition or cam timing off: only likely if the engine has been worked on recently).
D.) Firing order off: HO & 351 use a different firing order from the non HO engines.
HO & 351W 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8
Non HO 1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8
E.) No start when hot - Press the throttle to the floor & try starting it if you get this far. If it starts, replace the ECT.
 
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tryed all day to get the car to get spark, hot wired the coil and still no spark, a teenager thought he could wire in an alarm system it looks like at one time, i found where he spliced the wires in throughout the car and got rid of all the alarm stuff. still the same thing,no spark, Also replaced the computer and changed coils then bought a new coil and still no spark, i think the kid cut some wires or did somthing to a wiring harness or somthing, probaly cut and took out some wires.

near the computer on some wires looks to be a black fuse thing, seems to get a little warm when trying to start car, problem maybe?


i figure it needs all the wiring in the car to be replaced? i got a 91 wrecked car ,would it interchange and be worth it?

also dont need a key to turn car over. i think it is somthing in the ignition somwhere thats causing the no-spark.

is there a way to get spark by doing somthing else other than changing wiring harness,hot wiring it a different way?


thats all i can remember for now, i am giving up on the car soon and it will probaly be for sale soon ,
 
When you test the coil, it should have a ground pulse to the negative terminal (should be marked on the coil connector) from the TFI. Supplying 12 volts is only half of it (and the easy half).

This was just posted (first time I have seen it) by Daggar. It might be helpful (I have not really read it yet, but it seemed pertinant).


Good luck.
 
As for the wiring, the '91 should go back into your '88 with no problems. If anything you will gain the mass air flow set up from the newer car and get rid of the speed density. A big plus if you plan on modifying the car.

Nate
 
The 91 computer is different than an 88 computer, the 91 is the A9L and works with the MASS Air Sensor (MAF), which you dont have on your 88, so if you didn't convert your car to mass air, than your A9L will only enrich your problems with it not starting

Paul Perreca
 
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thanks for the replys guys i will see what i can do with this mustang, hopefull get it running soon. also could the computer be the problem? is it normall a problem with no spark.if so i will grab one from a wrecked car at a junk yard. somone said somthing about a box in the fender wall if there is one could that be it? again thanks for the replys.you guys are helping me out alot :nice:
 
there is about 5 wires near the computer with a clip on them,a little black box plugs into it. it seems to make some noise when you turn the key on,sort of like a buzzing. problem maybe? and what is it?