deuce setup

[marty1964]

i`m lookinjg for a friend of mine he isn`t to good with computers. he`s looking for a duese set up for his 19641/2 mustang convert. he has changed the direction of the build he has a built 302 in it noe with bout 400hp but now wants a deuse setup or small blower setup if anybody has one or knows were to get on please let me know. he has 4 more stangs to restore over the next few years.

 

[2+2GT]

Something like this?

 

[mr-fixit]

+1 on the Tri-power like 2+2GT shows.

 

[marty1964]

yes were can we get one

 

[D.Hearne]

Mustangs Unlimited sells the complete setup new for around $1500 (last I looked) I've got one on a 331. Awesome performer. Once it's tuned for the engine, it's virtually trouble free. Ain't touched mine in 4 years now.

 

[2+2GT]

yes were can we get one

If you look closely, you'll see the one in my post is 3 Autolite carbs, not Holleys. Pony Carburetors makes that setup, using modified Autolites, which are superior to Holleys, in several ways. Annular discharge, for better atomization (improves power and mileage) and no gaskets holding the float bowls together, which eliminates leaking and cross-channel problems. Also no power valve blowouts, which renders Holleys next to useless when it happens.

 

[D.Hearne]

If you look closely, you'll see the one in my post is 3 Autolite carbs, not Holleys. Pony Carburetors makes that setup, using modified Autolites, which are superior to Holleys, in several ways. Annular discharge, for better atomization (improves power and mileage) and no gaskets holding the float bowls together, which eliminates leaking and cross-channel problems. Also no power valve blowouts, which renders Holleys next to useless when it happens.

Mine are Holleys, three 250 cfm. No leaks, no powervalve blowouts. No other problems either. Ain't been touched for at least 4 years. Mileage? how's 16 mpg @70 mph with 3.73 rear, 28" tires, 3500 lb in an 89 Ranger with no overdrive. I've had Holleys for 30 years without a P/V blow out.

 

[2+2GT]

Mine are Holleys, three 250 cfm. No leaks, no powervalve blowouts. No other problems either. Ain't been touched for at least 4 years. Mileage? how's 16 mpg @70 mph with 3.73 rear, 28" tires, 3500 lb in an 89 Ranger with no overdrive. I've had Holleys for 30 years without a P/V blow out.

I had the 2881/2882 Holleys on my daily driver for 15 years. I bow to your luck and expertise that you have zero problems for 4 years- I never got more than a couple of months or so without having to adjust the idle jets or something.

If I were shelling out $1500 for an intake setup, I'd choose the Autolites, no doubt about it.

 

[D.Hearne]

I had the 2881/2882 Holleys on my daily driver for 15 years. I bow to your luck and expertise that you have zero problems for 4 years- I never got more than a couple of months or so without having to adjust the idle jets or something.

If I were shelling out $1500 for an intake setup, I'd choose the Autolites, no doubt about it.

If you did have problems, it was either due to old worn out carbs, or you were trying to run it with a points ignition. I tried that with an original, 30 year old 3x2 setup back in the 80's. The carbs suffered from vacuum and fuel leaks and the points ignition did nothing for it either. My setup was a year old when I bought it and bolted it on. And I've never run it with points. And the current Holley bowl and metering block gaskets are far and away superior to the old corkers. They virtually never leak.

 

[2+2GT]

If you did have problems, it was either due to old worn out carbs, or you were trying to run it with a points ignition. I tried that with an original, 30 year old 3x2 setup back in the 80's. The carbs suffered from vacuum and fuel leaks and the points ignition did nothing for it either. My setup was a year old when I bought it and bolted it on. And I've never run it with points. And the current Holley bowl and metering block gaskets are far and away superior to the old corkers. They virtually never leak.

Well, I'm sure the gaskets were the root of my small problems. Nice to know that after 45 years, Holley finally got them right.

Funny thing, I run the C5OF-E Ford dual-point distributor, and have no trouble with it at all. It gets checked and adjusted if necessary at oil change intervals, but really needs very little attention.

I switched back to the Autolite 4100 (1.12) the last time I worked on the engine, and as expected, it has required zero attention, in over 10 years.

 

[D.Hearne]

I ran points on 390's and a 427 for years and they all needed adjusting every few months. Even tried a dual point, it was no different. The only points that needed less attention were the "soft" sets that severely limited your rpms due to point bounce. Holley's had better gaskets for twenty years now. The corkers are long since history.

 

[2+2GT]

Doubly strange. I have had no trouble with the dual points, which is why I never got the Pertronix, etc.

Even with the gasket problem solved, I still like the top plate design and annular discharge mains of the 2100. It is a superior design, compared to the Holley. There are also various sizes usable with the 2100. I talked to a tech rep at Holley one time, they rate the 2881/2882 combination at 785 cfm, which is probably enough to wind up to 9000 rpm in my 289, which is basically wishful thinking. I have a dual-quad setup with AFB's thats never been used. I have to think 1000 cfm would be just showing off, and would do little good for performance.

 

[D.Hearne]

Doubly strange. I have had no trouble with the dual points, which is why I never got the Pertronix, etc.

Even with the gasket problem solved, I still like the top plate design and annular discharge mains of the 2100. It is a superior design, compared to the Holley. There are also various sizes usable with the 2100. I talked to a tech rep at Holley one time, they rate the 2881/2882 combination at 785 cfm, which is probably enough to wind up to 9000 rpm in my 289, which is basically wishful thinking. I have a dual-quad setup with AFB's thats never been used. I have to think 1000 cfm would be just showing off, and would do little good for performance.

Holley "rates" them at 785, but what actuall flows thru them is dependent on the engine combo below. I've run it up to 90 mph on the center carb alone, making the 250 cfm rating actually run up to about 365. Yea, the Autolite top plate design maybe better, but like the Carter/Edelbrock carbs, they're "Fugly" to look at. And while it's true the 2100 came in more sizes, the trick of cutting the top to make em fit and still have a sealing surface can be tricky to someone not familiar with metalworking. Some of the linkage levers can be bullky too. Pertronix? Once it's set, it never needs adjusting. Points need replacing at least once a year in a daily driver. Even with the best of points sets. (which are becoming obsolete)

 

[zookeeper]

+1 on the Pertronix swap, it's the best thing I ever bolted on my engine. As for the Holley vs Autolite thing, whatever works, I suppose. I've used Holleys for about 30+ years and never, ever, ever had a powervalve fail. But if I chose to believe what I read on the internet, I wouldn't be able to sleep at night for fear of the local auto parts store running out of them, because I'd think I needed 10 powervalves just to get the car warmed up in the morning.