Build Thread Enola- Finishing touches

[a91what]

I will hopefully have a vortech bracket assembly here soon. This will make mounting the alternator down low very easy, along with making any extra pulleys simple to mount.
I'm normally very cheap and try to make everything myself, however this time I am going to learn from my past mistakes. If I pay myself 25$an hour labor plus materials I could build my own setup for around 300$ (R&D takes time) or I can buy the bracket assembly used for 250$..... well my time these days is at a premium I have multiple home improvement projects going on. I think it's worth it, not to mention it will look much more finished this way.

I am also considering making use of the area above the intake manifold... make a tray for a panel filter to feed the TB put it in a second larger tray with weep holes so water can escape. This would mate to the bottom of the hood with a foam surround. Making use of the cowl and the hood scoop would be nice, however it's all dependent on the space available.

Would be cool though.

I'm on standby at work right now.... boring.... I forgot my laptop to boot...

 

[Chuckman]

If you're just looking for the low mount alt bracket, there's a guy on corral who makes em for less than $150 (looks like $105 for everything except a couple special water pumps) that will put the pulley on the same plane as the stock pullies.

If you need more of it than that though to mount the charger then.....

Fwiw, I still think milling down a cheap efi intake into just a big plenum with an adapter plate for the charger (and a distributorless ignition with a cam sync) would be the best way, but I also have machine shop access so my opinion may be skewed.

 

[a91what]

That is still an option I am considering. I already have an intake picked out to do it with. The only foly is the blower itself i need a unit that originally bolted to an intake manifold or it overcomplicates things.
My "shop" is a tool shed the car sits under a carport if I had the room and money for even a hand crank mill I think I could "easily" make it work. For now i am going with a KB style solution.
I read the stuff on the pizzano method and it looks amazing great stuff there.

 

[90sickfox]

The guy I sold my lightning m112 to still has it and would sell for 150....but making your set up work may make more cool points...plus...doesn't sound like a terrible amount of fabrication to make it work. The intake stays the same...just brackets and routing.( so it seems )

 

[a91what]

I will keep that option in mind thank you Scott.

The idea is..... The two flanges are 3 inches offset. So the plenum will look like an L, I plan on bending the aluminum plate to make the turns sweeping. I want to use 4 pieces for the walls if I shape them right it will all fall into place. Then the intake for the blower will need to be fabbed up I'm going to use the existing flange. This will need to be planned later as I don't have any dimensions of the area for the intake as of yet. I do know it will include some kind of large TB. 90mm or so should get er done

 

[a91what]

Well I have a very small update for you, I mounted the parts I got from @karthief. They look good but I got caught in the rain and had to stop short of the ps pump.

 

[CarMichael Angelo]

I hope to Christ that you haven't started off on some tangent trying to make that blower fit...

Because I found an instruction booklet for you....

Now this guy isn't making very much boost with this combo,..(like 4 pounds) but he is a gluin' screwin', and doin' kinda guy just like you and me...If he can do it, you can do it.

He's using EDIS, and MSII.
The previous version of this had a turbocharger in the back seat,..(be he decided that wasn't the best plan)
and put this M122? on the car. He is forcing the air to go over the river, and through the woods only to return to a little hole at the back of the manifold. (that goofy looking tube thingy). You are planning to direct feed the engine so all of that crazy piping will be un-necessary. He used a carb'd Offenhauser 360 intake single plane manifold,...(I could so make this work)

The snout on his blower looks waaay shorter than yours is though...might not be a problem though, IDK.

 

[a91what]

He is also using the explorer or sn95 front dress to pull the belt in closer. There is no way I would make as much of a mess as to glue and hope it held. But he made it work gotta give him that. I like the way he made it intercooler.

I ready have an intake picked out Mike for the when and if I decide to go this route. I'm still collecting parts, but I guess I don't need the vortec bracket if I do it this way.

Only cevat is the way my blower is designed, it's meant to have a hat bolted to it. Gonna be some extra work to make it work.

 

[mikestang63]

I hope to Christ that you haven't started off on some tangent trying to make that blower fit...

Because I found an instruction booklet for you....

Now this guy isn't making very much boost with this combo,..(like 4 pounds) but he is a gluin' screwin', and doin' kinda guy just like you and me...If he can do it, you can do it.

He's using EDIS, and MSII.
The previous version of this had a turbocharger in the back seat,..(be he decided that wasn't the best plan)
and put this M122? on the car. He is forcing the air to go over the river, and through the woods only to return to a little hole at the back of the manifold. (that goofy looking tube thingy). You are planning to direct feed the engine so all of that crazy piping will be un-necessary. He used a carb'd Offenhauser 360 intake single plane manifold,...(I could so make this work)

The snout on his blower looks waaay shorter than yours is though...might not be a problem though, IDK.

MIke, I gotta give the guy an A+ for ingenuity and effort..but those welds and it looks like he used Honda Bond... Did that all hold up under boost?

 

[CarMichael Angelo]

MIke, I gotta give the guy an A+ for ingenuity and effort..but those welds and it looks like he used Honda Bond... Did that all hold up under boost?

Firstly Mike, You gotta know that I'm only endorsing the fact that the guy went above and beyond the norm to make something work. The fact that he used JB where aluminum bonding was involved, and his wire welding skills are a little rough were areas that I chose not to comment on.

It just made sense to me that here is a single plane intake w/ it's top milled off. You make a 3/8" thick aluminum plate that matches the base of the blower, and "affix" it to the intake. If it were Mike doing it, he'd counter sink some kind of fastener into that plate, and glue it to the intake manifold base. Then mount the huffer onto the plate w/ bolts. It looks so easy to me that the only thing harder than that would require finding a log to fall off of.

I glued the fuel rails on the 363 that had 16 injectors that I drag raced in 06 that had the 95mm meth fueled turbo. It saw 35 p.s.i., and those rails didn't pop off. There is some really nasty stuff out there as far as glue goes,....Granted I didn't use JB on those fuel rails,..(MOF, I used some GE aerospace sourced stuff that cost 250.00 a pint),....Once the test piece was glued onto a piece of scrap that I had on my work bench, I could not beat the two pieces back apart. I figured that a 5 pound mallet at full swing was sufficient force to replicate 40 pounds of boost.
All I remember was that Ol' dude at GE told me to not get any on my hands,..and to damn sure not get any in my eyes..(like my first act after getting any on my finger would be to poke myself in the eye...)

 

[a91what]

Jeez Mike your not gonna let it be are you.

I'm not trying to completely redo my setup unless I have to. I have already committed to a path parts wise.

In order to do the center mount blower I also need money.
-edis8 swap part JY 40$
-new fuel rails for vertical injector mount with an fittings and lines. $$$$?
-intake manifold (the offenhouser looks simple to use)
-aluminum plate $$
-machine work $
Lots of small stuff in forgetting

 

[CarMichael Angelo]

Jeez Mike your not gonna let it be are you.

I'm not trying to completely redo my setup unless I have to. I have already committed to a path parts wise.

In order to do the center mount blower I also need money.
-edis8 swap part JY 40$
-new fuel rails for vertical injector mount with an fittings and lines. $$$$?
-intake manifold (the offenhouser looks simple to use)
-aluminum plate $$
-machine work $
Lots of small stuff in forgetting

C'mon now,....you know the story about speed and cost.....

All I'm trying to do is save you from coming on here in six months and bitching about how hard it is to do *___________________________ with the engine.

* insert any routine maintenance task here*

You will thank me later...I'm just trying to repay you.

 

[mikestang63]

Just farm it out to Mike and have him do iit for ya....

 

[a91what]

I know Mike but unless I want the wife to kill me I have to curve the cost on this one... I'm about to spend a friggin metric tonne of money on invisilign, but in a few years I'll have a bitchin smile.

 

[a91what]

Just farm it out to Mike and have him do iit for ya....

.... ah negative ghost rider.....

I would also have to trade in my man card. Dat ain't hapnin.

 

[CarMichael Angelo]

.... ah negative ghost rider.....

I would also have to trade in my man card. Dat ain't hapnin.

Now now,....just because you don't do it does not automatically make you a wuss,......There are a bunch of guys here that don't do anything more than turn a screw driver or a ratchet....Have they all turned in their man cards too?

 

[Davedacarpainter]

What's a man card?

 

[General karthief]

I have two screw drivers, both phillips head, one extremely worn and doubles as a punch, two wrenches,
1. 14mm
1. 9/16
Don't understand, they seem to fit the same nuts and bolts?
A pair of channel locks, the small one with the long jaws, it is permanently locked closed, I've had them forever, I think they were roach clips in their other life?
I do have a man card although I can't find it.
Oh, and a bfh, gets used alot.

 

[a91what]

You know what I meant Mike. I will accept help but to outsource the entire job would be blasphemous.

 

[CarMichael Angelo]

You know what I meant Mike. I will accept help but to outsource the entire job would be blasphemous.

Oh don't worry, I wouldn't DO the entire job,.... and I get that w/o the car it would be hard to mount the blower and then have to try and match the other pullies to it, instead of matching the blower to them.

So that would require the car. And that aint happenin'

I can do things like maybe get the intake manifold milled flat if you don't have the source to do it, I can source a piece of 3/8" thick aluminum that will serve as a base,.....I can also offer my VAST, EXPANSIVE mental capacity to help figure sht out,...


So you got THAT going for you,..................which is nice.