Iran wants a nuke, Does anybody care?

90mustangGT said:

Harry Belafonte is a nobody. Just some wash up trying to get in the spotlight, and it worked. What education and credentials does he have??? He doesn't even look like he had an IQ higher than 80.

Celeberties, a majority of them, if they weren't acting or playing sports, would be washing dishes somewhere.

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Yes along with Michael Moore. I agree you see that most celebrities are idiotic liberals that have no logic to support their statements. Did anyone see what they were saying about Tookie Williams? I mean holy ****!!!!!

The problem with celebrities is they are idiots that go from rags to riches without really working for it. So naturally when you have an idiot in the spotlight you get what you see. People talking about stuff they really have no clue on.

EAT IT HOLYWOOD!!!!!!!!!!

"...they are idiots that go from rags to riches without really working for it..."

There are many who say EXACTLY the same thing about our president. The only difference is perspective and a difference of opinion.

90MustangGT - so you can tell how bright someone is just by looking at them? Interesting. If in fact that's true, I think you're definitely underselling yourself as an auto tech. Many looked at Einstein during his 'professorial' years in this country with his hair askew, with no umbrella walking around in the rain on campus and concluded he was a moron. Uh - they were wrong. And all anyone has to do is listen to our esteemed president speak; you won't get too much argument from anyone --- he's simply not the sharpest tool in the shed nor the deepest pool in the neighborhood. So concluding that Belafonte is off base because 1) he doesn't look bright to you, and 2) you don't agree with his opinion is - well, let's just say I'd have given it a bit more thought before I hit the 'post reply' key.

I don't agree with Mr. Belafonte's politics -- but as a fellow American citizen, I defend his right to state his case and put his opinion out there. If anyone is successful in silencing him because they don't agree with his opinion -- then it won't be long until someone else will want to silence you when they don't agree with your opinion. That is a fact of life with our freedom to speak our mind -- our minds don't all see it the same way.

It doesn't surprise me though -- the same mentality that wants to squeeze off a 40 megaton round in the Middle East when they see the 'death to America' bits on the evening news, also wants to string the Michael Moore's and (depending on your politics) Donald Rumsfeld's of the world up. It's the same thinking aimed at a different target. The funny (serious funny) thing is -- it's EXACTLY the same sentiment as the radical Muslims in the Middle East are aiming our way; it's simply aimed at fellow citizens. That kind of 'funny' I would think most freedom-loving Americans would find frightening.

I firmly support all of the troops in Iraq, I have had 2 family members over there and one came back with TB which will be with him for the rest of his life, even though it is "gone." the other is on his 4th tour 3 (Iraq) 1 (Afgan). To go and say, "nuke the whole area" is crazy. As michael said then way of life as we know it will cease to exist. There is more at stake than killing "radical muslims" there are many different people that would help us over there if they had the chance, but since they were supressed most of their lives they dont know how to act without being told to do so. I know that terrorists exist in out borders, i think that military watching on the border would be worth it. They come over here and undercut the american people out of jobs, and as said before no telling how many terrorists sneak over here. The News only reports on what will bring the ratings, most news stations are liberal and will do anything to make the other party look bad. If we just went and nuked everything that pissed us off then we would be in Nuclear Winter, and nothing would be worth living for. I think that we need to calm down and keep whooping ass in Iraq but no nukes. Does anyone realize that russia is still dismanteling the nuclear program they once had and they keep loose control on their inventory, I think that we need to worry about other countries stealing the Nukes then the countrys that have them now. Now that i am off my soap box i hope someone can deciper this and make sense of it.

CBZGT50 said:

Others may think this thread should be locked but I just warn all Americans that freedom is earned. Freedom is earned with blood and sorrow. Some volunteer to fight as I did, some appreciate the volunteers, some side with the nay-sayers who think war is stupid. I know more about our national defense than many of you could comprehend. We have earned the freedom we have from the blood of people who fought in WWII, Viatnam and Iraq. It's not about oil or money. It is about hanous crimes that dictators do to innocent civilians and soon it will bleed to our country as 9-11 showed us how easy it is.

Think conservativly and don't hate the war. There are reasons I cannot explain but our lives, our childrens lives and the future of our country depends on it. The military taught me alot about the way other countries think and we are well hated. I wait for the day when another 9-11 style attack happens. BTW I watched the live action as the second plane flew into the second tower and watched the towers collapes all on live tv in my command center. You must understand the severety as Americans and watch each others back instead of wanting to hate and kill other Americans. The world has passed the cold war and is now in a terrorist stand down.

I salute my flag and stand proud as an American. I will only kill if war dictates the necessessity to stop others from harming the civility of our own country. Stand up and be proud at the next ball game. Think of the 3000 dead from just this war. Sorry for all the propaganda. I did not think others would react so severly. Seeing dead nineteen year olds really hurts me.




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I am REALLY REALLY enjoying this forum and moreover what you have to say as it is SO VERY close to my convictions. I say convictions with that diction and no other in mind because it is your experience and none other that has brought you to where you are. Many others on here derive opinions from their little experience as to where you have stood in the middle and know what is going on from every angle. I salute yours and any others' service to this country that I so love!!!

To the "others" aka liberals. You are obviously outnumbered and for that my hat goes off to you for supporting your beliefs as that is EXACTLY the correct point you make is, it is your right! However, when certain beliefs stand for moral and human degradation and continually call for the deconstruction of what makes this country so great, the foundation, I question your motives. Do you really understand just what it is that you are saying? And if HALF, and I mean HALF of the energy you expunge into HATING our government and especially OUR commander in chief was spent doing something other than criticizing you might actually get somewhere! I can say I relish in my conservative ways as that is what motivates me to love even you, but consider this, any successful business, organization, or any other facet of "construction" comes from a plan. You continually criticize what we are doing, how we are doing it, and especially WHO is doing it (Bush). What is your plan that is so great? Cause the conservative plans from our histories past are what has gotten us this far....

69Rcode_Mach1 said:

Yes along with Michael Moore. I agree you see that most celebrities are idiotic liberals that have no logic to support their statements. Did anyone see what they were saying about Tookie Williams? I mean holy ****!!!!!

The problem with celebrities is they are idiots that go from rags to riches without really working for it. So naturally when you have an idiot in the spotlight you get what you see. People talking about stuff they really have no clue on.

EAT IT HOLYWOOD!!!!!!!!!!

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This was hilarious! Though a blanket statement, I would agree with much of it. I wish Micheal Moore was not able to produce, simply with LOGIC as my motive. Does he ever intend to build up or help? Have you seen him "support" anything with a positive style??? I sure havent. I got suckered into one of his movies once, and then watched another on purpose and that man is NEGATIVE. This is the some of the liberalism I am speaking of. Tearing down and using negative connotations all the while claiming to have someone, and I mean anyones, best interest in mind. Right. Freedom is most definately earned, but earning takes working, working sacrafice and that is that. Most of Hollywood have a jaded perspective and have not seen the world as many others have, that is why THEY seem so ignorant.

one comment i'd like to make is that i truly hope everyone questioning the war or the bush administration is not labeled as liberal, and those in favor of the war due to the facts presented to us daily aren't labeled conservative.

yes, you have what you would call EXTREMIST, there are those who will blindly follow their party no matter what ( strangley thats what we're up against in the middle east, extremeists)...

there are some of us though that simply look at it from a purely, non biased approach as to whats really the best way to deal with things.

i think most americans truly would not have a problem defending out country if they believed we were being told the truth about everything and that there seems to be an end in site to all of this. the fact of the matter is, there are those who appose the war and or the bush administration not because they are tree huggers but because they seriously question the motives behind it all. i'd also like to add some of those individuals are also simply trying to minimize death on our part......

you have to pick your battles carefully. we'd have total world war 3 if we tried to remove any threat from all other countries, yet, at the same time there are times when it is nessesary to use military force.

you also have to understand that since bush has been in office, it's been one disaster after another. i'm not saying thats his fault entirely, and the administration before him dropped the ball and let some of this just fester as well. but from the disaster of the 2000 election, to 9-11( which theres still looming questions of the current administration and the prior administration ignoring signs or being incompitent) to the anthrax scare ( which just dissapeared and not much has been said about that) to the war in afghanistan to hunt osama ( who is apparently hiding in caves on dialasis, lol) then to the war in iraq which was about wmd's, which then turned into liberating the iraqi's, which now has morphed into the war on terror because the terrorists won't come here if we fight them on another battle ground.....even though we know we have terror cells here in the us. point being.....we have been through so much the last 6 years.....i think we're just getting tired and frustrated.......tensions are high...

this is the series of events of the last 5 or 6 years, you can't get bent at SOME people that don't support killing everyone or nukeing someplace, or trying to rid the planet of evil. there are reasons people wonder if it's ever going to end and as i said before in a prior post, it's not just a simple usa against the terrorists, there's alot of other behind the scenes things going on, which, i think makes it that much more impossible for a country to be united on issues that we maybe don't even have all the facts on. we've had alot to digest, and none of all the above even gets into the problems we have here at home. there's alot on our plate.......and i wish there was a way people could disagree with out going to the extremes......but unfortunatly thats the nature of the beast, it's polotics.

you'll recall after 9-11 how unified everything seemed. everyone agreed, no one had a big problem with afghanistan, etc.....and now look at it, country practically divided.......which is why i'll always be an independant....i wish to hear everyones view and opinions, and i hope they come from their open minded heart, and not anykind of extreme-ism......the way they act in the middle east should teach us all something, not to act the same way.......

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I definately like what you had to say as well, and agree with much of what you said. I also dont like to label myself a Republican as that is too implicit, but rather a conservative. I do agree with being tired, and not looking to what is going on here. In fact, we have more murders/homicedes in the city of Detroit each year than we have had in the war. DETROIT, a city with more guns than people. But people want to be devastated at the numbers ONLY over there. I am devastated at one loss, regardless of the cause. I just like to keep a good focus on where we came from, where we are, and what is going to happen in the future. Thanks for the input!!

Michael Yount said:

"...they are idiots that go from rags to riches without really working for it..."

There are many who say EXACTLY the same thing about our president. The only difference is perspective and a difference of opinion.

90MustangGT - so you can tell how bright someone is just by looking at them? Interesting. If in fact that's true, I think you're definitely underselling yourself as an auto tech. Many looked at Einstein during his 'professorial' years in this country with his hair askew, with no umbrella walking around in the rain on campus and concluded he was a moron. Uh - they were wrong. And all anyone has to do is listen to our esteemed president speak; you won't get too much argument from anyone --- he's simply not the sharpest tool in the shed nor the deepest pool in the neighborhood. So concluding that Belafonte is off base because 1) he doesn't look bright to you, and 2) you don't agree with his opinion is - well, let's just say I'd have given it a bit more thought before I hit the 'post reply' key.

I don't agree with Mr. Belafonte's politics -- but as a fellow American citizen, I defend his right to state his case and put his opinion out there. If anyone is successful in silencing him because they don't agree with his opinion -- then it won't be long until someone else will want to silence you when they don't agree with your opinion. That is a fact of life with our freedom to speak our mind -- our minds don't all see it the same way.

It doesn't surprise me though -- the same mentality that wants to squeeze off a 40 megaton round in the Middle East when they see the 'death to America' bits on the evening news, also wants to string the Michael Moore's and (depending on your politics) Donald Rumsfeld's of the world up. It's the same thinking aimed at a different target. The funny (serious funny) thing is -- it's EXACTLY the same sentiment as the radical Muslims in the Middle East are aiming our way; it's simply aimed at fellow citizens. That kind of 'funny' I would think most freedom-loving Americans would find frightening.

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What I meant by Belefonte's "looks" isn't really his physical appearance, but I did a search on him when he first said what he said and found out he was less than I though he was. So what, he wrote a song or two once, and then after that has gotten other black singers togeather for albums, and is a complete racist where everything is about race to him, and whines and bitches about how other people are doing him wrong. Just like the muslim terrorist, he shares a common ground with them. Sitting around and whining and blaming your problems on other people or groupes of people is just stupid. If people do you wrong, and you of course blame what they did on you, and consider it thier problem, it will never go away, because you are expecting them the fix your problem and they dont' give a damn because if they did, then they wouldn't have caused you the problem in the first place. So, what happens is you have a problem that never gets solved and just leads to other problems.

I hope we find alternative sources of energy, then we can ignore the middle east. Without us buying thier oil, they would have no income, and thier world would be complete hell. Of course, it will be our fault still, according to them. Some of those desert countries have grown way too big to feed thier populations on thier own land. They have thier water filtered from the sea and such. Without oil money they will die of hunger and thirst, lets see how much thier oil means to them then.

This country has plenty of un-tapped oil sources, Bush wanted to tapp them but the whacko tree huggers and democrats were afraid that there "might" be an accident and cause enviromental damage. Thier lead argument, that the lines might dirupt the migration of the carabou (sp). We could tapp that, imagine if we just stopped buying oil form forien countries, the oil demand would crash, the price would crash, it would be like the great depression for the OPEC countries. Oh yeah, then we can jack the price of the grain we export, we'll see how they like that when they are hungry.
Underscoring myself as an Autotech.... well I am a rookie tech making 60K a year now, maby more, I only made 45K last year because I was a tech for only half the year. Probally a lot more money than Belefonte makes and he's older than me, I guess that is why he has to stoop to the levels he has to make himself remembered. I'll eventually do other things besides working on cars, but for now I like what I do, something different everyday, something different to figure out everyday.

Another thing Michael, you have been calling me out a lot latley, so name the celebrties that have degrees on the level as President Bush? Many of them don't even have GED's. Yes, bush did have the family to help him a long no doubt, but look at the Kennedy's, Ted Kennedy drove his car into a lake and let a girl drown and did nothing to help her, and didn't even call the police until the next day, and then tried to get it covered up. He is one selfish SOB. He like Michael Moore likes to hear about the death of our soldiers, many similarities. Some say they are both "typical fat people".

oh you know, ol bellefonte forgot that when you call someone a terrorist it looks stupid when your standing next to a dictator DOH!

My Perspective: Islam - The religion of PEACE (wink, wink)

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Ummmm I think that you have forgot how many people have died for Christianity as well then right (Crusades, Holy Wars, Witch Trials, Religions Persecution, Holocaust)? I am not for any religions so don't think I sympathize with the Muslims, but there are two sides to every coin. If you look through history you will discover that the Muslims were a lot more civilized than Christians until recently, and that the death tolls don't even compare. Do not let the actions of a few radical individuals damn the innocent, because from my experience religion period does nothing but divide people. I love the morals and values religion teaches, unfortunately those become overlooked by power hungry people like Osama, who takes advantage of people's fear of being damned for eternity the same way Christianity has. This is how you get people willing to commit suicide for a cause. I am glad people like you are not in power, the fabric of the Constitution would be destroyed.

69Rcode_Mach1 said:

Ummmm I think that you have forgot how many people have died for Christianity as well then right (Crusades, Holy Wars, Witch Trials, Religions Persecution, Holocaust)? I am not for any religions so don't think I sympathize with the Muslims, but there are two sides to every coin. If you look through history you will discover that the Muslims were a lot more civilized than Christians until recently, and that the death tolls don't even compare. Do not let the actions of a few radical individuals damn the innocent, because from my experience religion period does nothing but divide people. I love the morals and values religion teaches, unfortunately those become overlooked by power hungry people like Osama, who takes advantage of people's fear of being damned for eternity the same way Christianity has. This is how you get people willing to commit suicide for a cause. I am glad people like you are not in power, the fabric of the Constitution would be destroyed.

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"religion" does much more than divide people. In all truth, every religion is about peace and coming together, but it is the "people" that get in the way. The institution of religion is not to blame. Not to argue symantics, but I take my faith very seriously and dont want it misrepresented. What you speak about people dying in the name of Christianity is unfortunately true, however, for those of you who know God like I do know that he says it is his will that none should perish, but that all should have everlasting life. Also, its not a fear of certain death, but a promise of love that brings many people to "religion" or in my case a relationship with God.

I don't think I articulated what I wanted to say correctly. Because fiveohwblow I was trying to say what you just said. I may not have a faith, but I respect anyone who does. I was trying to show both sides of the coin to TrunkFunk. But what you said also agrees with what I stated that you can't let the actions of a few individuals damn everyone else in your eyes. Again with the things I stated I wasn't referring to it being the religions fault, it was the official that was corrupt enough with enough power to order crusades, the holocaust, and holy wars just like Osama. If I thought like TrunkFunk then I would hate everyone especially Christians, that was the point I was trying to get across. Which makes his racist, simple minded argument useless.

See where I am coming from? I think we are thinking along the same lines, I don't want you to think I was taking a shot at your faith.

69Rcode_Mach1 said:

I don't think I articulated what I wanted to say correctly. Because fiveohwblow I was trying to say what you just said. I may not have a faith, but I respect anyone who does. I was trying to show both sides of the coin to TrunkFunk. But what you said also agrees with what I stated that you can't let the actions of a few individuals damn everyone else in your eyes. Again with the things I stated I wasn't referring to it being the religions fault, it was the official that was corrupt enough with enough power to order crusades, the holocaust, and holy wars just like Osama. If I thought like TrunkFunk then I would hate everyone especially Christians, that was the point I was trying to get across. Which makes his racist, simple minded armument useless.

See where I am coming from? I think we are thinking along the same lines, I don't want you to think I was taking a shot at your faith.

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Absolutely! Were cool

Bush is not stupid, and neither are those in his administration. more than 50% of the country agrees, despite what the media wants you to believe. the media causes problems and forces people to recognize the minority opinion. I dislike politicians, they lie, but bush was not one of these, he knows what he wants to do, and he does it. likely why he is president. I have to say that the federal government is trying to make this country better/safer, that is their purpose. Now those who do nothing with a problem like immigration (illegal or otherwise) are not doing their job. Bush is helping this situation. Then there's the wars, both necessary, and ney-sayers lack perspective. war on terrorism, best defence is a good offence... in iraq, humanitarian, chemical testing on one's own people cannot be allowed. As far as still being there, if we were to pull out too soon, we would have wasted time and lives. If our 'allies' like germany and france weren't such cowards (too liberal), we could have terrorism under better control and be out or almost out of iraq. And don't give us that perspective b.s. US Americans just want to live and prosper, a noble trait, one that is undeniably superior. Those who want to destroy that are evil, it's logic. Bush can't be a terrorist, only a tyrant, which he is not.
FUN FACT: Israel wouldn't have any nukes if it weren't for France's intolerably secretive actions, mere decades after the U.S saved them from annihilation.

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I was trying to show both sides of the coin to TrunkFunk. But what you said also agrees with what I stated that you can't let the actions of a few individuals (YEAH RIGHT) damn everyone else in your eyes. Again with the things I stated I wasn't referring to it being the religions fault, it was the official that was corrupt enough with enough power to order crusades, the holocaust, and holy wars just like Osama. If I thought like TrunkFunk then I would hate everyone especially Christians, that was the point I was trying to get across. Which makes his racist, simple minded argument useless.

See where I am coming from? I think we are thinking along the same lines, I don't want you to think I was taking a shot at your faith.

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I'm a simple-minded racist now huh.
Islam doesn't have a race, but I appreciate your insinuation.
Since you view it as such, that would make YOUR worldly outlook racist, wouldn't it, hmm.

For the record, the girl above WAS from I n d o n e s i a ... Islam has gone global baby, yeah

For not being a "tree-hugger", you did a fine job of trying to pull the race card

Again, I'm not completely sure you're a little confused about your lock-stepping, hmm, let's see.
-You DO NOT believe in organized religion : neither do aethist tree-huggers.
-You believe Islam was peaceful until the bad little Christians came along to enslave them : so do the false peacies.
-You make historical references out of context : so do tree-huggers
-You believe all religions are equal (even ones that are at war with all the other religions) : just like a tree-hugger
Well, you're doing a pretty good job convincing me of your "mild conservatism"

You know very little to make such a bold claim about racism though.
Did I specifiy a race, or a religion in my prior posts?

I realize the expedience of insult versus debate, it happens all the time:
Your parents won't give you your way, so you scream and yell and call them names.


1 - The holocaust was orchestrated by white supremicists and funky occultists, not Christians.
The Church of Rome opposed Hitler.
Your "innocent Muslims" suported him .. and are carrying his torch today.
They appreciate your support.

2 - Islam was sweeping through the West killing at will (starting in the Mediterranian) until Christian men took a stand.
The Crusades were subsequent moves after Islams aggression.
Sort of like 9-11, then the subsequent Iraq war, hmm.

Religion doesn't divide people, it exposes already existing divisions with some and unites others.

Answer one question honestly for me...
If the shoe was on the other foot and Islam had all the power right now:
Would you be a converted muslim ... or dead?



Also, if someone breaks into your dwelling and you see him, be sure to not kill him.
His life is still innocent and precious.

TrunkFunk said:

I'm a simple-minded racist now huh.
Islam doesn't have a race, but I appreciate your insinuation.
Since you view it as such, that would make YOUR worldly outlook racist, wouldn't it, hmm.

For the record, the girl above WAS from I n d o n e s i a ... Islam has gone global baby, yeah

For not being a "tree-hugger", you did a fine job of trying to pull the race card

Again, I'm not completely sure you're a little confused about your lock-stepping, hmm, let's see.
-You DO NOT believe in organized religion : neither do aethist tree-huggers.
-You believe Islam was peaceful until the bad little Christians came along to enslave them : so do the false peacies.
-You make historical references out of context : so do tree-huggers
-You believe all religions are equal (even ones that are at war with all the other religions) : just like a tree-hugger
Well, you're doing a pretty good job convincing me of your "mild conservatism"

You know very little to make such a bold claim about racism though.
Did I specifiy a race, or a religion in my prior posts?

I realize the expedience of insult versus debate, it happens all the time:
Your parents won't give you your way, so you scream and yell and call them names.


1 - The holocaust was orchestrated by white supremicists and funky occultists, not Christians.
The Church of Rome opposed Hitler.
Your "innocent Muslims" suported him .. and are carrying his torch today.
They appreciate your support.

2 - Islam was sweeping through the West killing at will (starting in the Mediterranian) until Christian men took a stand.
The Crusades were subsequent moves after Islams aggression.
Sort of like 9-11, then the subsequent Iraq war, hmm.

Religion doesn't divide people, it exposes already existing divisions with some and unites others.

Answer one question honestly for me...
If the shoe was on the other foot and Islam had all the power right now:
Would you be a converted muslim ... or dead?



Also, if someone breaks into your dwelling and you see him, be sure to not kill him.
His life is still innocent and precious.

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I was not trying to state you are a racist or simple minded, your views and explanations are stereotypical (for lack of a better word that means racist against a religion) and completely invalid, I don't judge you on your statement. You could be misinformed, simply don't understand, or really are a simple minded racist, I don't know. Secondly let me clarify I guess I would be politically conservative which is where it counts. I can have a few socially liberal views and what not but believe me I am conservative. I don't want abortions, I don't want gays getting married, and I support the war 100%. Which is why I fall in between sometimes, but am usually conservative.

The holocaust was orchestrated by a white supremacist, but it was the bias and hatred of the Christians that allowed it to commence. That is how Hitler gained power, I am not saying the Vatican planned it from the beginning, but Christians did follow it because they had something to gain in their eyes. Again I am not bashing Christians I am trying to point out that other religions have done the same or even worse, and that you can't let that influence your thoughts about everyone related to that line of thought.

Finally If Islam had all the power right now, and they threatened my way of life, my people, and freedom, you bet your ass I would be resisting or dead. That is why I am in the Air Force ROTC right now, soon as I can get in a plane I will be putting everyday of my life towards protecting this nation. Islam may not have all the power, but they threaten my nation, and I will be damned if anyone hurts the innocent people of this nation, and the same goes the other way. I want to protect the innocent, and take oppressive dicatators out of power.

If someone broke into my house I would try to incapacitate him rather than kill him if possible. That is my personal belief you don't have to go along with it, but guess what it is a belief that separates our nation from those murdering terrorists.

well iam gonna be the ugly obnoxious american and say,

PRAISE THE LORD AND PASS THE AMMUNITION!!!!


whats funny about muslims is that none of them remember the muslims america and other "infidel" nations saved in bosnia and kosovo, infidel nations did more to help those muslims than any muslim nation did. Islam also states that when ever muslim people are being attacked every able bodied muslim male must make a jihad and fight the aggressors, funny with a religion of more than a billion strong the muslim world couldnt stop milosivic in kosovo or the serbs in bosnia from perfoming genoside.how about chechnya why dont the arabs help the chechens? why cuz arabs are some of the most corrupt people in the world so anyone who thinks that islam is all about peace and love i have a beach front property in wyoming for sale for ya ! **** em all and wipe em all out !!!!

Please don't try to get this thread locked, we are having a reasonable conversation.

blackstangt said:

Bush is not stupid, and neither are those in his administration. more than 50% of the country agrees, despite what the media wants you to believe. the media causes problems and forces people to recognize the minority opinion. I dislike politicians, they lie, but bush was not one of these, he knows what he wants to do, and he does it. likely why he is president. I have to say that the federal government is trying to make this country better/safer, that is their purpose. Now those who do nothing with a problem like immigration (illegal or otherwise) are not doing their job. Bush is helping this situation. Then there's the wars, both necessary, and ney-sayers lack perspective. war on terrorism, best defence is a good offence... in iraq, humanitarian, chemical testing on one's own people cannot be allowed. As far as still being there, if we were to pull out too soon, we would have wasted time and lives. If our 'allies' like germany and france weren't such cowards (too liberal), we could have terrorism under better control and be out or almost out of iraq. And don't give us that perspective b.s. US Americans just want to live and prosper, a noble trait, one that is undeniably superior. Those who want to destroy that are evil, it's logic. Bush can't be a terrorist, only a tyrant, which he is not.
FUN FACT: Israel wouldn't have any nukes if it weren't for France's intolerably secretive actions, mere decades after the U.S saved them from annihilation.

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It always excites me to see someone with very similar perspectives as me on here. Where I live it is predominately liberals that make extreme leftists blush. Keep using knowledge of the truth to establish you beliefs!!!