Question for those that have installed this. I am putting in the full length system #5. Whats with the rubber band thing that goes around the L pipe that goes in the fender well. I dont get the purpose of it. And then, the plate that you drill into your fender, why are the 3 screws that hold that in place in such a wierd arrangement. They are all on the top part of the plate and 2 are right above/below each other in the same spot. Is that supposed to be like that?
Need help with Demolet tunable induction install
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And one more thing, i was looking at the install pics from stangpro.com for the CAI and noticed a couple of things:
In this pic, dont they have the air filter on the wrong end of the L pipe?
And then where in the world are they getting that little rubberband that goes around the TB? It sounds like they pulled it off the stock TB tube, which cant be right, anybody have any clue or did you have one?
In this pic, dont they have the air filter on the wrong end of the L pipe?
And then where in the world are they getting that little rubberband that goes around the TB? It sounds like they pulled it off the stock TB tube, which cant be right, anybody have any clue or did you have one?
hotmustang331
Active Member
Bump for ya 
. You should ahve got a JLT RAI 
, then I could have helped you out lol.
Looks like they maybe cut the old one off and just left the rubber on it. And whats with the guy wearing gloves?!?! ...hmmm, maybe he stole the CAI and doesnt want his prints on it
. You should ahve got a JLT RAI , then I could have helped you out lol. Looks like they maybe cut the old one off and just left the rubber on it. And whats with the guy wearing gloves?!?! ...hmmm, maybe he stole the CAI and doesnt want his prints on it
hotmustang331
Active Member
deftsound
Please ask me how much my supercharger cost
yea man installing that thing is a bitch. I did mine last week and it was a lot more difficult then it needs to be. The plate was a pain in the ass to put on there and dont ask me why the holes are drilled in such a wierd arrangement but yea thats how its supposed to be. I just used two of the screws cause the third one, (the one on the top left) turned out to be too difficult to align. Anyway I wish i had gotten a jlt now, but i do have to say the demolet looks really nice when your done. Those rubber band thigns your talkin about if im referring to the same thing your thinking, is used to secure the pipes togethor. Im a little worried about how the filter L pipe is secured in the fender well cause it seemed on mine like it just kinda pushed togethor and relied on friction to hold it there. Anyway good luck if you need pics let me know and ill get you some of mine.
Sorry you are having difficulty.
The stangpro tech article does have the filter on the wrong end of the down pipe.
The filter installs onto the sleeved end (end with the set screws)
The holding ring is provided to firm up the plate against the down pipe. Simply slide it up against the plate.
The holes in the cover plate enable top mounting it as you wouldn't be able reach up under the plate to drill under the pipe. Position the plate last and mount where desired. You can use the holes in the plate to drill through for the mounts.
The tunability of the system is unique and to enable the 'dual filter' positioning the systems breaks in half at the cover plate.
Thanks for purchasing my system.
In out shootout with the JLT system we posted +12 ft. lb. torque and + 5.75 hp gains.....So you made the right choice!
There are appreciable gains with adding length in front of the meter. The UTI shootout dyno results can be viewed on my site, 03/04 Cobra page, UTI link to the right.
Use the set screws to secure the meter pipe to the down pipe.
There is a separate '4.6 Install bulletin' in with the directions addressing this.
Call the toll free # 866-509-7453 for any tech support.
The stangpro tech article does have the filter on the wrong end of the down pipe.
The filter installs onto the sleeved end (end with the set screws)
The holding ring is provided to firm up the plate against the down pipe. Simply slide it up against the plate.
The holes in the cover plate enable top mounting it as you wouldn't be able reach up under the plate to drill under the pipe. Position the plate last and mount where desired. You can use the holes in the plate to drill through for the mounts.
The tunability of the system is unique and to enable the 'dual filter' positioning the systems breaks in half at the cover plate.
Thanks for purchasing my system.
In out shootout with the JLT system we posted +12 ft. lb. torque and + 5.75 hp gains.....So you made the right choice!
There are appreciable gains with adding length in front of the meter. The UTI shootout dyno results can be viewed on my site, 03/04 Cobra page, UTI link to the right.
Use the set screws to secure the meter pipe to the down pipe.
There is a separate '4.6 Install bulletin' in with the directions addressing this.
Call the toll free # 866-509-7453 for any tech support.
hotmustang331
Active Member
All the 4.6 systems are the same, just the TB pipes differ for each application.
An analysys of the shootout results shows that the 'tunable' aspect works.
Why not have a tunable system? If the system length/filter positioning isn't optimum you can't change that with other systems.
The bend in front of the meter causes NO problems and ironically the 2-bend setup elicits the best performance. I also have the underhood separate meter adapter available with the 96-04 systems so you can have all three positions if desired.
The system has been flow-bench tested by UTI, Pro-M, and Pro Mass air and the results have all shown no turbulance or swirl.
Each 4.6 metered system is flow bench matched with every meter and a flow bench chart is included with each metered system.
Stangpro picked up +11 rwhp and customers relate .2-.3 gains in the 1/4.
An analysys of the shootout results shows that the 'tunable' aspect works.
Why not have a tunable system? If the system length/filter positioning isn't optimum you can't change that with other systems.
The bend in front of the meter causes NO problems and ironically the 2-bend setup elicits the best performance. I also have the underhood separate meter adapter available with the 96-04 systems so you can have all three positions if desired.
The system has been flow-bench tested by UTI, Pro-M, and Pro Mass air and the results have all shown no turbulance or swirl.
Each 4.6 metered system is flow bench matched with every meter and a flow bench chart is included with each metered system.
Stangpro picked up +11 rwhp and customers relate .2-.3 gains in the 1/4.
hotmustang331
Active Member
^ Good to know, thanks. I usually refer people to either the JLT RAI, or yours. Apparently they make about the same power, I was always under the impression that the JLT made more since it didnt have the bend. But anywho, you and JLT are the only CAIs worth buying IMHO. (I have the JLT if you didnt know lol...just trying to gain knowledge)
Again, thanks for your time.
Again, thanks for your time
.To keep the record straight. The test JP claims he beat the JLT on was full of questionable results. So I wouldn't go posting it around the world as fact... Oh wait too late.
He tried to post these results over on Modularfords & SVTPerformace, but EVERYONE saw right through the BS test. That wasn't pretty.
I can't believe you use that thing to promote your system and even make comment about it in a SOHC thread when it was on a supercharged 03 Cobra.
You have never tested against my JLT system for the GT nore will you.
I will no longer have anything to do with someone who uses bogus tests to promote there products.
For gosh sake, the test shows a LOSE in HP with both RAI systems. On a 03 Cobra???
Good god, you could put a open filter on the stock MAF and gain over 18 RWHP.
Then on the JLT run the run was shut down as the HP was climbing.
Ect. ect. ect. Come on man, do you really think that was a good test?
Then you come in Stangnet, or should I say some dealer of yours, who doesn't even know the correct name of your product, calling it JPI or JTI or something, Boasting of big gains over the C&L kit on a 05 GT. This test you also use to promote your product. Heck, most of the people thought the thread was about JLT and someone typed it wrong.
Well please explain why in the 5.0 article, your kit didn't beat the C&L??? Or the JLT (#1 BTW)
If your personal "tester" could get your system to beat the C&L, then shurly the great tuners at Modular Depot could do it in the shootout as well, right??
You nor I are a vendor here, so I'm gonna speak my mind.
I'm over the used car salesman crap. Using cobra test results in a GT thread, using false results to claim gains over C&L, talking UTI flow bench this and flow bench that.
The results are in simple testing that hundreds of JLT customers post about on all these forums on this wonderful internet. Do a search, there's tons of 3rd party dyno results. Funny, I NEVER see a thread where a DENSECHARGER customer posts dyno or track results. I only read the results you tell us about.
JLT kits are on
F8LBITE's 10.20 @ 136 6spd IRS Cobra
Dave King's 650+ RWHP Cobra
Sean Kelly's Cobra #2 car in MM&FF worlds fastest modded Cobra shootout.
Testing is being done as we speak by Jay Knot who owns the worlds fastest 6spd IRS car @ the tune of 9.60's
2003/2004 world champ Bob Cosby's 99 Cobra
Last years GT 2 valve shootout 6 of 10 cars had a JLT. Including the #2 car
This stuff's been REAL world tested folks.
He tried to post these results over on Modularfords & SVTPerformace, but EVERYONE saw right through the BS test. That wasn't pretty.
I can't believe you use that thing to promote your system and even make comment about it in a SOHC thread when it was on a supercharged 03 Cobra.
You have never tested against my JLT system for the GT nore will you. I will no longer have anything to do with someone who uses bogus tests to promote there products.
For gosh sake, the test shows a LOSE in HP with both RAI systems. On a 03 Cobra???
Good god, you could put a open filter on the stock MAF and gain over 18 RWHP. Then on the JLT run the run was shut down as the HP was climbing.
Ect. ect. ect. Come on man, do you really think that was a good test?
Then you come in Stangnet, or should I say some dealer of yours, who doesn't even know the correct name of your product, calling it JPI or JTI or something, Boasting of big gains over the C&L kit on a 05 GT. This test you also use to promote your product. Heck, most of the people thought the thread was about JLT and someone typed it wrong.
Well please explain why in the 5.0 article, your kit didn't beat the C&L??? Or the JLT (#1 BTW)
If your personal "tester" could get your system to beat the C&L, then shurly the great tuners at Modular Depot could do it in the shootout as well, right??
You nor I are a vendor here, so I'm gonna speak my mind.
I'm over the used car salesman crap. Using cobra test results in a GT thread, using false results to claim gains over C&L, talking UTI flow bench this and flow bench that.
The results are in simple testing that hundreds of JLT customers post about on all these forums on this wonderful internet. Do a search, there's tons of 3rd party dyno results. Funny, I NEVER see a thread where a DENSECHARGER customer posts dyno or track results. I only read the results you tell us about.
JLT kits are on
F8LBITE's 10.20 @ 136 6spd IRS Cobra
Dave King's 650+ RWHP Cobra
Sean Kelly's Cobra #2 car in MM&FF worlds fastest modded Cobra shootout.
Testing is being done as we speak by Jay Knot who owns the worlds fastest 6spd IRS car @ the tune of 9.60's
2003/2004 world champ Bob Cosby's 99 Cobra
Last years GT 2 valve shootout 6 of 10 cars had a JLT. Including the #2 car
This stuff's been REAL world tested folks.
ocbaud
Member
owned?
hahaha, i got a good deal on my demolet intake, but from what i've seen they both look pretty good. i for one dont give a crap about the marketing strategy, all i know is that my demolet is worlds better than the mac cai i had before
hahaha, i got a good deal on my demolet intake, but from what i've seen they both look pretty good. i for one dont give a crap about the marketing strategy, all i know is that my demolet is worlds better than the mac cai i had before
hotmustang331
Active Member
Good info man....I would LOVE to see a comparison between the two. But im VERY happy with my JLT RAI, and wouldnt think of replacing it.
So is there ANY dyno tests of the demolet on a stock GT like there is of the JLT system? I just want to know when people ask.
I will say this, this is WHY I went with the JLT.
A. Tucker (dont know first name), is VERY straight forward and gives all the facts and is very clear about what he is talking about. No missleading of anysort, and 100% stands behind his product.
B.Also has great customer service.
C. seen product in person and just looked MASSIVE compared to others I have seen...from a flow capability standpoint.
D. On the same note, the system looked GREAT...and fit like a snug bug. Also has many paint options.
E. NO bends infront of the MAF (just a quirk)
These are WHY I went with the JLT, and im not saying that you (j demolet) dont have good service, OR a good product (never seen it in person, and never called your buisness)....so dont take that wrong. Nor am I saying that the bend on front of the MAF is bad, I DONT know for sure....its just bad stuff I heard about the old MAC CAIs that had a bend.
THATS WHY WE NEED SOME DYNO #S! lol
And lets keep this tech so it doesnt get locked....no bashing. Just facts/factual opinions.
So is there ANY dyno tests of the demolet on a stock GT like there is of the JLT system? I just want to know when people ask.
I will say this, this is WHY I went with the JLT.
A. Tucker (dont know first name), is VERY straight forward and gives all the facts and is very clear about what he is talking about. No missleading of anysort, and 100% stands behind his product.
B.Also has great customer service.
C. seen product in person and just looked MASSIVE compared to others I have seen...from a flow capability standpoint.
D. On the same note, the system looked GREAT...and fit like a snug bug. Also has many paint options.
E. NO bends infront of the MAF (just a quirk)
These are WHY I went with the JLT, and im not saying that you (j demolet) dont have good service, OR a good product (never seen it in person, and never called your buisness)....so dont take that wrong. Nor am I saying that the bend on front of the MAF is bad, I DONT know for sure....its just bad stuff I heard about the old MAC CAIs that had a bend.
THATS WHY WE NEED SOME DYNO #S! lol
And lets keep this tech so it doesnt get locked....no bashing. Just facts/factual opinions
.All good questions and I appreciate you being open minded and not simply throwing mud. When that happens no one benefits from the tech info/differences with different products.
We've been rebuilding the whole site with the 05/06 systems and I need to get the dynopage up to date.
I'll get the dyno runs from the Stangpro testing posted.
To address your points:
-'Massive system' - Ours is the same 4" size to the meter and the first systems in the 4". I've found better velocity running the TB pipes 'matched' to the size of the TB. 4" to the twin TBs & 3" to the single TBs. A very long perfectly straight tube will elicit swirl. This shows up in bench flow testing as it did in the UTI shootout.
-I have the same Factory Paint options and the base black paint on your system is also the 2-stage factory black paint.
-The difference with the mid stream meter placement: This enables adding the 'torque' variable which is important: As you add length in front of the meter it makes a big difference in torque. You can go too long as was shown in the 5.0 Mag shootout when my system lost power (-8) with dynoing the 9" filter vs. the 6" that comes with the system. The system length in the down position is a couple inches short from being too long.
The torque gains will change with the 'up' vs. 'down' filter positioning.
You can see the difference this made with the UTI shootout results.
A stock GT is affected by the length change in the same manner.
- With a couple thousand GT systems in service customers relate the 'down' position adding the most noticable sotp torque and with the filter 'down' there is much better throttle response being that all the engine heat is blocked off and radiating upward and the filter is instantly breathing the outside air coming through the air dam. This is something that doesn't show up on the dyno but will be noticable in everyday driving.
- All CAIs have quirks involving fittment. You don't have to relocate the meter/wiring with my system as with others. You don't have to remove the fender liner as with others. You don't have to remove the meter from the meter pipe with cleaning the filter.
- Rather than use the factory bolt hole for mounting the plate I've found it more universal to have the plate placement adjustable. My GT systems that go on the KB blown GTs change in length with the addition of the 90 meter. You can move the plate slightly with the addition of different meters.
- I provide a lifetime warranty on all components. See what the warranty is on your current system.
- Is there a toll free number for customer support?
- Most companies no longer have toll free numbers and I hate calling a company where I purchased a product that I just get shuffled from one person to another trying to get a part returned or ask tech questions....at my expense on the long distance calls.
- All my customers get tech questions/install support, etc., answered THAT DAY toll free. I enjoy taking the time to talk to customers and this is something greatly lacking today.
Getting back to the original thread....I emailed you about the install questions and call if you have any more difficulties. Install the filter in the 'down' position and I hope you enjoy the system.
I'd be happy to send a GT system @ dealer cost for dyno comparisons and I'll restock it at the full dealer price paid if it doesn't post the best numbers.
I've never had a shootout/comparison system returned though and that includes the 05' GT system in the 5.0 Mag shootout. They've all been retained in every shootout/comparison. All the testing has been by the professionals in the business with many of them also selling competitive systems.
We've been rebuilding the whole site with the 05/06 systems and I need to get the dynopage up to date.
I'll get the dyno runs from the Stangpro testing posted.
To address your points:
-'Massive system' - Ours is the same 4" size to the meter and the first systems in the 4". I've found better velocity running the TB pipes 'matched' to the size of the TB. 4" to the twin TBs & 3" to the single TBs. A very long perfectly straight tube will elicit swirl. This shows up in bench flow testing as it did in the UTI shootout.
-I have the same Factory Paint options and the base black paint on your system is also the 2-stage factory black paint.
-The difference with the mid stream meter placement: This enables adding the 'torque' variable which is important: As you add length in front of the meter it makes a big difference in torque. You can go too long as was shown in the 5.0 Mag shootout when my system lost power (-8) with dynoing the 9" filter vs. the 6" that comes with the system. The system length in the down position is a couple inches short from being too long.
The torque gains will change with the 'up' vs. 'down' filter positioning.
You can see the difference this made with the UTI shootout results.
A stock GT is affected by the length change in the same manner.
- With a couple thousand GT systems in service customers relate the 'down' position adding the most noticable sotp torque and with the filter 'down' there is much better throttle response being that all the engine heat is blocked off and radiating upward and the filter is instantly breathing the outside air coming through the air dam. This is something that doesn't show up on the dyno but will be noticable in everyday driving.
- All CAIs have quirks involving fittment. You don't have to relocate the meter/wiring with my system as with others. You don't have to remove the fender liner as with others. You don't have to remove the meter from the meter pipe with cleaning the filter.
- Rather than use the factory bolt hole for mounting the plate I've found it more universal to have the plate placement adjustable. My GT systems that go on the KB blown GTs change in length with the addition of the 90 meter. You can move the plate slightly with the addition of different meters.
- I provide a lifetime warranty on all components. See what the warranty is on your current system.
- Is there a toll free number for customer support?
- Most companies no longer have toll free numbers and I hate calling a company where I purchased a product that I just get shuffled from one person to another trying to get a part returned or ask tech questions....at my expense on the long distance calls.
- All my customers get tech questions/install support, etc., answered THAT DAY toll free. I enjoy taking the time to talk to customers and this is something greatly lacking today.
Getting back to the original thread....I emailed you about the install questions and call if you have any more difficulties. Install the filter in the 'down' position and I hope you enjoy the system.
I'd be happy to send a GT system @ dealer cost for dyno comparisons and I'll restock it at the full dealer price paid if it doesn't post the best numbers.
I've never had a shootout/comparison system returned though and that includes the 05' GT system in the 5.0 Mag shootout. They've all been retained in every shootout/comparison. All the testing has been by the professionals in the business with many of them also selling competitive systems.
If someone is going to run an honest no BS test on a CAI they have to take the A/F ratio into account or all the results are meaningless. I want to see tests where the A/F ratios are adjusted to a set point BEFORE HP/TQ measurements are taken!!!
Show me the HP/TQ numbers for a bone stock GT at WOT with a measured A/F of 14.1
Then show me the HP/TQ numbers for a stock GT with a DC installed at WOT with an adjusted A/F ratio 14.1
Now show me the HP/TQ numbers for a stock GT with the JLT system at WOT with an adjusted A/F ratio 14.1
Lather, rinse, repeat as necessary for whatever CAI is to be tested.
What good is it to compare different CAI's if the A/F ratio at WOT is different?? It just doesn't make any sense people...
U.M.
Show me the HP/TQ numbers for a bone stock GT at WOT with a measured A/F of 14.1
Then show me the HP/TQ numbers for a stock GT with a DC installed at WOT with an adjusted A/F ratio 14.1
Now show me the HP/TQ numbers for a stock GT with the JLT system at WOT with an adjusted A/F ratio 14.1
Lather, rinse, repeat as necessary for whatever CAI is to be tested.
What good is it to compare different CAI's if the A/F ratio at WOT is different?? It just doesn't make any sense people...
U.M.
That's a good point.
Testing ALL 3 tuning positions with my system will elicit the A/F changes corresponding to each tuning location and the respective gains.
One tuning position may not benefit how a particular GT is modded compared to another position.
The nice thing is that all 3 are there without having to chop up or change the system and then not be able to change it back.
I'll include the underhood adapter (available with all the systems) and the testing would need to be professional, unbiased.
All the Va. & Ca. smog pumped equipped Mustangs can install my system with the 'up' position, which isn't possible with some other systems. The tunability has several benefits beside the performance differences.
Testing ALL 3 tuning positions with my system will elicit the A/F changes corresponding to each tuning location and the respective gains.
One tuning position may not benefit how a particular GT is modded compared to another position.
The nice thing is that all 3 are there without having to chop up or change the system and then not be able to change it back.
I'll include the underhood adapter (available with all the systems) and the testing would need to be professional, unbiased.
All the Va. & Ca. smog pumped equipped Mustangs can install my system with the 'up' position, which isn't possible with some other systems. The tunability has several benefits beside the performance differences.
You mean the test where you beat C&L?
Again, why did your testing beat C&L, but in the 5.0 article it did not?
Wow, you found this through testing? Please post these findings in the form of a dyno graph.
I have tested kits with the meter in the middle and the meter at the end. I saw a 7.5 RWHP gain putting the meter on the end (03 cobra). I also tested full 3", full 4", 4"-3" and my currant 4" with smooth tapper to 3" at the TB and found this to net the most gains.
Again, with the UTI, these tests were flawed so I wouldn't put too much faith in them.
Wow, hey, where did you get that idea from??
And customer service. There's no question on this. JLT customers will attest to the fact I go as far as needed to make them happy.
As far as having a 800# to call... this is a reason to buy your system??
Really man.Most people have free long distance calling or $.05/min. They don't mind making a long distance call. Believe me, by the amount I'm on the phone all day this is fact in todays world.
UNCLEMEAT:
Your right, keping the A/F the same is best for testing and this was supposd to take place in the UTI shootout JP keeps bringing up, but when the results came back and raised too many questions the testers at UTI didn't do any more testing. You also need to remember "most" customers will not do a tune or don't want to need a tune.
Many times adding a CAI will result in a leaner A/F, but it's making the power and keeping a "safe" A/F that were looking for. As for 14.1, that's way too lean for a N/A car. At least for my blood.
Below is a test a customer sent on a GT. It's over a BBK unit that measures 4" lower and 3" upper.. hey those measurments sound fimiliar. You can see the A/F is nearly the same for both kits. This was on a Roush stage 3.
I will also post a few of my GT results with A/F.
You will see the JLT's A/F is only less that .5 leaner then the stock. Dyno graph was posted in another thread, so below is the link to the graph that goes with the A/F below.
http://forums.stangnet.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=31726&d=1103714461
The C&L testing was with the production system. An improved system over the shootout system.
UPR actually was the first to offer different paint options with their 03/04 Cobra systems before your came out.
Everyone agreed on the UTI shootout testing prior to the results. They train guys going into the automotive field and I respect their findings.
But there's no sense in going back and forth, it really accomplishes NOTHING.
The comparison make MORE SENSE and anyone having a reputable dyno shop that wants my system @ dealer cost can call.
This thread was to offer my customer support and it'd be better to do the testing separately.
UPR actually was the first to offer different paint options with their 03/04 Cobra systems before your came out.
Everyone agreed on the UTI shootout testing prior to the results. They train guys going into the automotive field and I respect their findings.
But there's no sense in going back and forth, it really accomplishes NOTHING.
The comparison make MORE SENSE and anyone having a reputable dyno shop that wants my system @ dealer cost can call.
This thread was to offer my customer support and it'd be better to do the testing separately.
Don't dwell too much on the 14.1 I suggested... it was just a number I pulled out of my ass up to illustrate a point... I just chose a number that was something a little less than the stoic (14.7:1).JLTucker said:
I realize nobody wants to tune their car just because they added a CAI, but you can't truly test a CAI unless everything is equal. Here's another example....
Stock mustang @ 6000RPM WOT = A/F 12.5 and HP/TQ = 250/260
Same Mustang with CAI "A" installed @ 6000RPM WOT = A/F 13.0 and HP/TQ = 255/265
Same Mustang with CAI "B" installed @ 6000RPM WOT = A/F 14.1 and HP/TQ of 258/268
Is it fair to say that CAI "B" makes more HP/TQ than CAI "A" and the testing was fair?
U.M.
I'm going to defend my systems if another companies customer, or that company themselves come onto a thread.
BUT REALLY..... why a competitors customer etc. comes onto a 'Demolet install' question isn't relevant or the right place.
Let me know if you got everything installed ok and thanks again for the business.
BUT REALLY..... why a competitors customer etc. comes onto a 'Demolet install' question isn't relevant or the right place.
Let me know if you got everything installed ok and thanks again for the business.
