Take it easy, slayer. I'm not going to lock this yet, but please keep in mind that these are the kinds of comments that cause problems on mustang boards. 
only little boys wear bowties???
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Take it easy, slayer. I'm not going to lock this yet, but please keep in mind that these are the kinds of comments that cause problems on mustang boards. 
Hey, you were the one who threw the first proverbial stone by making a statement like “Chevy Rules”, on a Ford friendly site....so suck it up, sit back and reap what you've sewn.
Move it to fight club
I have been respectfull and nice sense I joined because that is the kind of person I am but my gloves are coming off for this one. Why in the hell do you guys or any muscle car/American car fan spend so much flipping time hating on eachother when the import companies are killing us. Jesus guys wake up, what Ford could handle a LS1 car stock for stock or bolt on vs bolt on from 97 to 02? What Dodge could? Oh a $75,000+ V10 Viper and in some cases it didn't do to good of a job at it. I'm not hating but get real, the Vette is not a car to compare the Cobra to.....why? Because it is not a car made for or that is at home on a drag strip, the GTO? A car that was ment to be more of a grand touring car is supposed to keep up with a Cobra in a 1/4 mile race? The Cobra was a bad ass car, yes it was. For the money at the time it was hands down a power house and with the blower simple mods did great things along with a bullet proof bottom end. But also at the time there was no direct car to compare to it as far as the class it was in. For the love of god Mustang owners had to start a rivilary with SRT4 owners just to have someone to fight with at the time.
I love cars, more importantly I love domestic made, domestic designed front engine rear wheel drive V8 manual transmission cars in coupe form. There is no bearing on what I like or will acknowledge because of a name on it. BTW Cobra's with average drivers were 12.8 second cars all day, 02 SS's were 13.1 second cars with average driver all day. Both being stock. Either way **** it guys, love your American cars because nobody else is out there to do it. Have you ever watched the crap top gear talks every time they get a American RWD V8 to test? Oh they shut their mouth when they track it though.
I have been respectfull and nice sense I joined because that is the kind of person I am but my gloves are coming off for this one. Why in the hell do you guys or any muscle car/American car fan spend so much flipping time hating on eachother when the import companies are killing us. Jesus guys wake up, what Ford could handle a LS1 car stock for stock or bolt on vs bolt on from 97 to 02? What Dodge could? Oh a $75,000+ V10 Viper and in some cases it didn't do to good of a job at it. I'm not hating but get real, the Vette is not a car to compare the Cobra to.....why? Because it is not a car made for or that is at home on a drag strip, the GTO? A car that was ment to be more of a grand touring car is supposed to keep up with a Cobra in a 1/4 mile race? The Cobra was a bad ass car, yes it was. For the money at the time it was hands down a power house and with the blower simple mods did great things along with a bullet proof bottom end. But also at the time there was no direct car to compare to it as far as the class it was in. For the love of god Mustang owners had to start a rivilary with SRT4 owners just to have someone to fight with at the time.
I love cars, more importantly I love domestic made, domestic designed front engine rear wheel drive V8 manual transmission cars in coupe form. There is no bearing on what I like or will acknowledge because of a name on it. BTW Cobra's with average drivers were 12.8 second cars all day, 02 SS's were 13.1 second cars with average driver all day. Both being stock. Either way **** it guys, love your American cars because nobody else is out there to do it. Have you ever watched the crap top gear talks every time they get a American RWD V8 to test? Oh they shut their mouth when they track it though.
So basically, we can all get along, provided those of us who hold the Mustang in higher regads than the F-Body recognize the error in our ways and bow to the bowtie in the end. Gotcha.
And this doesn't need to go anywhere provided the responses can remain civil and at least somewhat informative.
I am in no way saying to "bow defeat" but the least that can be done is to recognize what the car did right at the time. They were quick and still are for what can be done to them and what they can be bought for now. I'd say the same thing for the Cobra on a GM/LS1 forum
Nothing is all things to all people. Disrespect is born from thinking that everyone elses needs and wants are the same as yours.
I dont drive a chevy because chevy's modern muscle is so formulaic and predictable. Boring, if you ask me. I hardly pay attention to them anymore. "wow, another GM with an LSx that is really freaking fast..." They have been doing LSx/M6 or A4/big tires since 97.
Ford, on the other hand, has lots of different engines and choices. They all have a more unique personality than chevys lineup, imo. In a time when nearly anyhting can get 300+ hp, 30 mpg, and run forever given proper maintenance and care, i'll choose the engine with a unique place in fords history rather than just another LSx in chevys. Fords biggest downfall, however, is making all these badass motors, and not giving them to you. This is why ill probably never buy a new mustang. My choices are a rather meak 4.6 NA 3v, or the all-out 5.4 thats in a 4000 pound pig? Sorry, but where are the engines out of a termi, 00 Cobra R, FR500, 2g lightning, or 01 cobra? My answer to all of this is im glad i have the willpower and ability to swap my own damn engines my own damn self. If ford or chevy cant make anyhting interesting, i will.
I dont drive a chevy because chevy's modern muscle is so formulaic and predictable. Boring, if you ask me. I hardly pay attention to them anymore. "wow, another GM with an LSx that is really freaking fast..." They have been doing LSx/M6 or A4/big tires since 97.
Ford, on the other hand, has lots of different engines and choices. They all have a more unique personality than chevys lineup, imo. In a time when nearly anyhting can get 300+ hp, 30 mpg, and run forever given proper maintenance and care, i'll choose the engine with a unique place in fords history rather than just another LSx in chevys. Fords biggest downfall, however, is making all these badass motors, and not giving them to you. This is why ill probably never buy a new mustang. My choices are a rather meak 4.6 NA 3v, or the all-out 5.4 thats in a 4000 pound pig? Sorry, but where are the engines out of a termi, 00 Cobra R, FR500, 2g lightning, or 01 cobra? My answer to all of this is im glad i have the willpower and ability to swap my own damn engines my own damn self. If ford or chevy cant make anyhting interesting, i will.
Sir,
Please reference the http://forums.stangnet.com/685806-stangnet-terms-service.html.
Specifically,
Calling someone a tool in a public forum constitutes a personal attack. It will not be tolerated towards any other member of these forums. This is particularly not a good idea when you've seen a moderator warn another member in the same thread already.
Furthermore, the staff will decide when a thread is inappropriate and needs to be locked. Despite the argument, there are still some here making salient and rational posts, for example the post previous to this one. If this thread has you steaming, please consider taking a break from it for a night. Consider this a warning.
Respectfully,
Chris (a.k.a. FastDriver)
Please reference the http://forums.stangnet.com/685806-stangnet-terms-service.html.
Specifically,
Calling someone a tool in a public forum constitutes a personal attack. It will not be tolerated towards any other member of these forums. This is particularly not a good idea when you've seen a moderator warn another member in the same thread already.
Furthermore, the staff will decide when a thread is inappropriate and needs to be locked. Despite the argument, there are still some here making salient and rational posts, for example the post previous to this one. If this thread has you steaming, please consider taking a break from it for a night. Consider this a warning.
Respectfully,
Chris (a.k.a. FastDriver)
riceslayer302
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sorry for the spirited response, no disrespect meant to anybody, we're all friends.
you cant be serious lol, your gonna sit there and say ford is better than chevy right now? the v6 camaro is supposed make as much power from the factory as the mustang gt! LMFAO. if being pigheaded and brand specific for no reason makes me an "ls1 lover" then i guess you got me...
i love mustangs, camaros, t/a's, vettes, they are all sweet. the mustang, all-but a few examples, the almighty 03-04 cobra and maybe the mach, has been a disappointment since 1993, they got heavier and their engines got smaller. chevy has gotten only better from the LT1 on. in order to compete and win my, along with many other board members respect, ford needs to lighten the mustang, and offer a naturally aspirated power-plant that the average guy can build in his own garage and not have to rely on custom tuners and billion dollar superchargers. something the chevy guys have had for a long time. if you cant see it, then you sir, are a "mustang retard" just as the guy leaning against his IROC who scoffs at my pos foxbody driving by is a "IROCTARD"
you cant be serious lol, your gonna sit there and say ford is better than chevy right now? the v6 camaro is supposed make as much power from the factory as the mustang gt! LMFAO. if being pigheaded and brand specific for no reason makes me an "ls1 lover" then i guess you got me...
i love mustangs, camaros, t/a's, vettes, they are all sweet. the mustang, all-but a few examples, the almighty 03-04 cobra and maybe the mach, has been a disappointment since 1993, they got heavier and their engines got smaller. chevy has gotten only better from the LT1 on. in order to compete and win my, along with many other board members respect, ford needs to lighten the mustang, and offer a naturally aspirated power-plant that the average guy can build in his own garage and not have to rely on custom tuners and billion dollar superchargers. something the chevy guys have had for a long time. if you cant see it, then you sir, are a "mustang retard" just as the guy leaning against his IROC who scoffs at my pos foxbody driving by is a "IROCTARD"
I can accept the fact that Chevy makes a good product. I never stated otherwise. They company as a whole has made some poor marketing decisions and has been pretty reckless with spending, but otherwise I have no problem with most of their line up. I (and others here) personally believe that Ford makes a more quality product as a whole. Does that make one of us more wrong, or right over the other? I would think not since opinions are subjective
Sure, the aforementioned LS1 was a stout engine that made some decent power, but what was so special about them other than large displacement and a free flowing intake with aluminum heads? They weren’t the marvel of automotive technology like some of you have made them out to be. It seems that some of you are under the impression the he who makes the most horsepower, builds the better engine. Truth be told, Fords current OHC engine line up is far a superior design by comparison. Their lack of displacement seems to be their only real folly?
Besides, you can't sell a car based on an engine or gimmick alone. Having the sizzle without the steak is why the F-Bodies failed in the first place and now why the rest of the company seems to be following suit. In that respect, I would say that one sided comments like "Chevy Rules" seems to be a misguided to say the least. Even though opinions are subjective, facts and numbers don't like. GM is in real trouble here and Ford is not. Ford may not build the greatest product out there, but its good enough for them to keep their feet out of the iron and avoid bail out money from the Government!
Sure, the aforementioned LS1 was a stout engine that made some decent power, but what was so special about them other than large displacement and a free flowing intake with aluminum heads? They weren’t the marvel of automotive technology like some of you have made them out to be. It seems that some of you are under the impression the he who makes the most horsepower, builds the better engine. Truth be told, Fords current OHC engine line up is far a superior design by comparison. Their lack of displacement seems to be their only real folly?
Besides, you can't sell a car based on an engine or gimmick alone. Having the sizzle without the steak is why the F-Bodies failed in the first place and now why the rest of the company seems to be following suit. In that respect, I would say that one sided comments like "Chevy Rules" seems to be a misguided to say the least. Even though opinions are subjective, facts and numbers don't like. GM is in real trouble here and Ford is not. Ford may not build the greatest product out there, but its good enough for them to keep their feet out of the iron and avoid bail out money from the Government!
I think that some assume the Gen III V8's from GM are a run of the mill traditional small block when they have not properly looked into the engine design.
Chevy LS1 Engine Block Basics - Hot Rod Magazine
Read that as it will enlighten you a little to how the engine is different. I am by no means trying to discredit the mod motor from ford but without getting into any supercharged application what is so new and revolutionary about it? You have a small engine block with over head cams. That may be new to v8 type muscle/pony cars but imo that is where the revolutionary part ends for me. I am probly totally off base by saying that.
GM also offers a couple over head cam V8's that have been around longer than the mod motor, then there was a LT5 back in the early 90'd that was awsome and it was DOHC 32v in the ZR-1's.
What would impress me is if Ford would not increase displacement but make it a standard to put 4 valve heads on all their V8's and make them direct injection. They would be reliable and make crazy amounts of power.
Chevy LS1 Engine Block Basics - Hot Rod Magazine
Read that as it will enlighten you a little to how the engine is different. I am by no means trying to discredit the mod motor from ford but without getting into any supercharged application what is so new and revolutionary about it? You have a small engine block with over head cams. That may be new to v8 type muscle/pony cars but imo that is where the revolutionary part ends for me. I am probly totally off base by saying that.
GM also offers a couple over head cam V8's that have been around longer than the mod motor, then there was a LT5 back in the early 90'd that was awsome and it was DOHC 32v in the ZR-1's.
What would impress me is if Ford would not increase displacement but make it a standard to put 4 valve heads on all their V8's and make them direct injection. They would be reliable and make crazy amounts of power.
riceslayer302
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No different than the Retard F-Body owners who have the same outlook about the all might LS1?
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And listen to yourself. You just bitched about 4.6L's being turds because they were useless without a power adder to be fast, yet you immediate stated afterwards your desire to build a stroker LS1 or add a power adder to it to make any "real power".
I really don’t see why some of you haters just can’t stand the fact that most of us prefer the little supercharged 281ci to the all mighty LS1? You honestly see us as foolish for thinking as much? I know if I had the money and the choice between the two cars (F-Body vs ’03-’04 Cobra), it would be a no brainer. The Cobra wins in all categories across the board.
i mentioned above, mustang retards and IROCTARDS are everywhere and i dont think they'll ever change. im a fan of both, i love the sound of a whippled or turbo 03 cobra as much as the sound of a fully cammed ls1. my biggest issue with the 4.6 is they seem much more for the guy who drops his car off at a performance shop then goes on the forums and posts his huge hp/tq numbers, while the LS1, to me at least, seems like something i could build in my own garage with a toolbox, some wrenches, and oh yeah, a car lift so i can get the engine out lol.
strtrcr50
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I'm just curious why we should have "respect" for the other brands. This is a MUSTANG forum. Not a politically correct all brand forum. This seems to be a trend that comes and goes here. I feel like I'm in third grade and my parents are saying "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything" Personally, I don't like camaros. At least those made after 1969. And I certainly didn't come here to discuss the merits of the lsx motors.
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It's different strokes for different folks, brother. The guy you quoted displayed discipline and restraint. Take a lesson. If they have a different view, it doesn't make them a retard. You're the third strike in this thread and I already specifically warned you about the name calling. Placing it in an "if, then" statement doesn't change the fact that this is another personal attack.Chris
Again mistaking power for quality. What good does it do them to make 300hp with a V6 when all the do is take up space in the dealership lot?
So because the engines got smaller, the car is a disappointment? The PI headed 4.6L 2V Mustang is a good half second quicker than it predecessor 5.0L in stock trim....all while being several hundred pounds heavier. It also handles, brakes and rides better than the Fox body as well. The S197 cars are both quicker and heavier still, with the same 4.6L displacement and 3-valve heads and they also handle and brake better than their predecessor.
How is that disappointing?
Some of you guys are too hung up on power and not recognizing the over all advancements made to the car itself. You "can't see the forest through the tree's", so to speak.
If you want to get particular about it.....the Camaro/Trans Am had a displacement advantage for 30-years and never made more than 320hp. If you wanted any more power than that from the factory you had to buy a Corvette or wait for the LS6 in a different vehicle. I would be more disapointed in that kind of track record if I were a bowtie guy?
I will agree that Ford needs to put the Mustang on a diet, but I would hardly call it a make or brake point for the car. The comment about having to install a billing dollar supercharger is kind of silly too. Blowers can be had fairly reasonably and are really easy to instal on the Mod Motors....and even then they're only for guys wishing to run quicker than 12's.
LS1 guys are tearing into the engine for a cam change or adding nitrous to run quicker than 12's, so I really don't see how they're any more labor conscious?
As far as power adders go....because of the excellent volumetric efficiency of the head and intake design, Mod motors respond really well to all forms of forced induction. Why would late model mustang guys spend a pile of money on N/A mods that aren't as effective just because that's what the Brand "X" guys are doing? Just the same as the LS1's high compression engine responds better to intake and nitrous mods by comparison.
You go with what works best for your particular platform. I really don't see what difference it makes how you get there, as long as you do?
25thmustang
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I don't mind seeing people stick up for and only show love for Ford and Mustangs, but the rest of us should be allowed to show a liking towards Fbodys and GM cars, and be able to respond to posts attacking them, no matter what the site is dedicated to...
my .02!
my .02!
riceslayer302
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Chris
if it came out that way i appologized before and ill do it again.
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