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Ordered Intake what else?
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*yawn* I trim both of you bitches up motor to motor 
phlobus, glad you got your parts and went with the bigger TB despite all the negativity about it
Since this threads all off topic, how bout a little
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phlobus, glad you got your parts and went with the bigger TB despite all the negativity about it
Since this threads all off topic, how bout a little
Vortech SQ S Trim for sale 86-93. Brand new 100% complete!!
Grn92LX said:*yawn* I trim both of you bitches up motor to motor
phlobus, glad you got your parts and went with the bigger TB despite all the negativity about it
Since this threads all off topic, how bout a little
Huh?
It is a simple fact...you just don't need a bigger TB...bigger is not always better...
If I had the money I would jump all over that
Rock777 - You might ought to check 50resto.com to see if they have your replacement bolts for your TB...I would buy some new intake bolts also...
David
nmcgrawj
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5spd GT said:
#1. TB's are NOT carburetors. A carb NEEDS airspeed while a TB DOES NOT.
#2. TB's do not move the air that people THINK they do. A 75TB moves less air than a good modified 650 carb does. Modified 650 carb = 850cfm. 75mm TB = about 700 cfm.
#3. A bigger TB will NEVER cost you power, but a smaller TB will.
This is coming from the words of a Professional. I think he knows a thing or two so i wont even put in my thoughts...i will let Jay Allen handle it.
nmcgrawj said:
I'm not for sure why the carb suggestion is in there...maybe a play on a story to make it look one-sided...
Yes to big of TB can hurt you as well as to small of one...come on know...there is no logic in a bigger TB will NEVER hurt you...you have to look at a different spectrum as I mentioned...not everyone is going for PEAK gains...you have to look at the whole scenario...
The #3 role had to be taken out of context...that is way to general of a statement...I'm pretty sure Jay Allen wouldn't say that in response to a specific combo...
I thought this thread was done...but I never give up...but will admit when wrong...the problem with this to "big TB" idea is people make general statements about it...a 4hp gain is NADA...what about the power curve thru the entire rpm powerband? Torque?...like I said I bet a cheap cold air intake allows gains of 4hp somewhere in the powerband...
Just way to many GENERAL statements being made...
Grn92LX said:Its funny, all this bickering and arguing and a professional answers the question and we ALL know the facts now. Not that I ever had a doubt. I guess we can say owned
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To big of TB won't hurt you
...again to general...let's all go help that guy pick an intake and argue over that instead, cuz let's face it - if there's a guy on the forums running low 12 in a vert w/ a stock tb then TBs really don't make that much of a difference anyhow, so who cares!!??? I bet the proper intake would make a difference!!! ..........this is sooo OT, hehe!
nmcgrawj
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5spd GT said:I'm not for sure why the carb suggestion is in there...maybe a play on a story to make it look one-sided...
Yes to big of TB can hurt you as well as to small of one...come on know...there is no logic in a bigger TB will NEVER hurt you...you have to look at a different spectrum as I mentioned...not everyone is going for PEAK gains...you have to look at the whole scenario...
The #3 role had to be taken out of context...that is way to general of a statement...I'm pretty sure Jay Allen wouldn't say that in response to a specific combo...
I thought this thread was done...but I never give up...but will admit when wrong...the problem with this to "big TB" idea is people make general statements about it...a 4hp gain is NADA...what about the power curve thru the entire rpm powerband? Torque?...like I said I bet a cheap cold air intake allows gains of 4hp somewhere in the powerband...
Just way to many GENERAL statements being made...
Im not the pro but i will say a little something just to get peoples mind ticking...the reason Jay brought up carbs is because a lot of guys out here get it confused. A carb needs to be the right size to have the velocity to pull the fuel in with it....a TB does not. I think Jay said it can never be TOO big because there are wayyyyyyy too many other BIGGER contributing factors on the velocity of air then the TB.
And your powerband worries....like i said there are wayyy too many other MAJOR parts that contribute to how a powerband looks than a TB. Its in the design of the engine and its parts. A TB will not give you good driveability, but a engine with a well thought out design and tune will.
But you are right...this thread is wayyy off topic. When a professional says words and you still fight it....i mean come on....what else is there to say?
nmcgrawj said:Im not the pro but i will say a little something just to get peoples mind ticking...the reason Jay brought up carbs is because a lot of guys out here get it confused. A carb needs to be the right size to have the velocity to pull the fuel in with it....a TB does not. I think Jay said it can never be TOO big because there are wayyyyyyy too many other BIGGER contributing factors on the velocity of air then the TB.
And your powerband worries....like i said there are wayyy too many other MAJOR parts that contribute to how a powerband looks than a TB. Its in the design of the engine and its parts. A TB will not give you good driveability, but a engine with a well thought out design and tune will.
But you are right...this thread is wayyy off topic. When a professional says words and you still fight it....i mean come on....what else is there to say?
I could sum this all up real quick: It appears you have been taking things out of context to go for sake of your argument and benefit...it is obvious that the original topic that you wrote to Jay (or past emails) wasn't to the point of this thread...but yet changed up a bit...
I NEVER said the TB is sole determiner of driveability...it is a "one of many factors"...so I'm not for sure what you were argueing...
I'm not argueing with any professional...I was just asking quiestions or wondering why the carb comments were there...
A carb and throttle body function differently...again not sure what you trying to compare here with that point...
Again to say "to big of TB will NEVER hurt" is WAY to general...and is simply not true...it is all about the powerband...not peak HP gains...WOW... a 4 hp gain for the loss of throttle response/torque down low to gain an amount of HP that a cai intake could supply in itself...sorry but I'm not sold...
The main point of me continously bringing up the point of not needing to big of a TB (and I always will tell I have SOLID proof of my contrary) is because to many GENERAL statements are being made...to say to go ahead and put on a 75mm TB because of the opening of the intake is that big is just silly...a throttle body can be one of the MANY factors a driver can use to withhold some of that velocity...no need to match the intake opening on a base 302 (stock everything except intake)...
Me arguing with a professional?...nope...
To many general statements...
nmcgrawj
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5spd GT said:
Ya know, for you to know so much...its funny you dont see the point of a carb vs. TB. Like i said a long time ago, this was the wrong place to bring up this arguement...atleast what i am arguing. If you ask me, you do not need to upgrade a TB on a stock motor (minus a new intake). Its just not needed. The stock TB will handle it fine.
This probably isn't the place for the argument, but im talking about when you build motors up with h/c/i and go as far as custom cams and tunes. The point of the carb vs. TB is that a carb NEEDS velocity to function, a TB doesn't. You want the TB to allow as much air in as possible. You say its one of the many components that make up driveability and air velocity...you are right. But each compenent doesn't have the same amount of contributing factor. A tb contributes very little in comparison to what a intake, heads, or cam design contributes to the driveability and air velocity of a given engine combo.
A 75mm TB in comparison to a 65 or 70mm TB on the same h/c/i 302 will have less throttle response and power down low? Thats funny cause in this book i have of 5.0L Ford Dyno Tests, a 75mm has just as much power down low at 2000 rpms than a stock 60mm on the same setup. And thats on a combo that they threw together. It doesn't even have a custom cam to properly take advantage of each component.
Go ahead and take your 65 or 70mm TB for the sake of driveability and i will take a properly designed combo with a custom cam and tune to have the best of both worlds.
nmcgrawj said:
Okay I figured it out...with all the twisting and taking out of context and changing of TB subject you do...I figured instead of answering your questions...I'm going to ask you some...
When did I say a TB need velocity to function? I could have swore I said it can function as a form of velocity?
Did I say that a throttle body is as important as h/c/i? But then again if you put the combo together to work as ONE...wouldn't that allude that the TB is as important?
"Again" (not for sure how many times I'm going to have to say "again") I never said (as "again" you allude) that a TB will make or break driveability...
"Again" you need to see the point that a 75mm was and still isn't needed for the original application...
Scan that book? Why are you pinpointing one particular RPM? "Again" it is the whole powerband...not peak numbers or one particular rpm set. Thats like following magazines...more torque is just obvious down low with a slightly smaller TB than the 75mm on a h/c/i 302..."again" it is called velocity...and it appears some people on this site like to go against common practices and some go against common sense...just to be different...
"Again" I DO NOT KNOW EVERYTHING...I will admit when I'm wrong...
Oh and actually a carb does not NEED velocity to function...that isn't how a carb works...again a general statement not made specific whether I or someone else knows what your trying to say..."again" velocity on the carb would be "truly benefecial" for the car it is bolted to...
I think when you tear down your engine (assuming your doing it by yourself/with friends)...you will see how an engine begins to work...
You can NEVER have to big of a TB...according to rule #3
...taken out of context of the story line...Convenient Amnesia?
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