Pics of my 408 at the machine shop

BlackVert · Nov 9, 2006

Pokageek said:
Looks like a dream plan Blackvert. Good luck with it all. Have you sold that supercharger yet?

finally! they guy paid me yesterday, the stuff goes out tomorrow!

urban96 · Nov 9, 2006

very nice!! only thing i would have done different is get a 1 piece oil pan gasket

blksn955.o · Nov 9, 2006

Question????

why did you go with the cork valve cover gaskets??? the stock ones are 100x's better and re-useable.

I do envy you...looks puuurrrrrrdy

Aliate X · Nov 9, 2006

BlackVert said:
um, it is a tremec tranny rated at 600 torque ...

A borg warner T-5 is what comes stock in 5.0s.

A tremec T-5 is a little better rated at 300 ftlbs

Tremec 3550's are pretty strong.

Tremec TKO 500/600 is the one that will take 600 ft lbs, a 600 found its way into my car after the T-5 blew up.

Aliate X · Nov 9, 2006

Low-5.0 said:
Explain that one to me..

Go search a little on hardcore50.com, 450rwhp can be had out of an aggressive 347. Not trying to be a dick, just telling the truth. 450rwhp out of a 408 is just over 1hp per CI obviously, which isnt that great.

blksn955.o · Nov 9, 2006

I think he meant he now HAS a tko600 and not the t5 anylonger. IIRC he just picked it up for the build with some other things.

BlackVert · Nov 9, 2006

Aliate X said:
A borg warner T-5 is what comes stock in 5.0s.

A tremec T-5 is a little better rated at 300 ftlbs

Tremec 3550's are pretty strong.

Tremec TKO 500/600 is the one that will take 600 ft lbs, a 600 found its way into my car after the T-5 blew up.

yeah it is the tremec tko i misspoke

my builder specified the parts, that was the part number he gave me for the valve cover gasgets. i might get different ones because i don't like the cork either.

same thing with the oil pan gasget. he knows and likes felpro and sticks with it for that reason. give me a part number for the one-piece 351w oil pan gasget you had in mind?

BlackVert · Nov 9, 2006

Aliate X said:
Go search a little on hardcore50.com, 450rwhp can be had out of an aggressive 347. Not trying to be a dick, just telling the truth. 450rwhp out of a 408 is just over 1hp per CI obviously, which isnt that great.

450 at the wheels is about 530 at the crank. that is extremely agressive for a 347.

a 450 rwhp 347 is not going to be streetable. 400 rw maybe. or 450 at he flywheel maybe, but not at the tires.

1slow95 · Nov 9, 2006

BlackVert said:
yeah, the rpm intake.

do you mean the intake will limit me?

mine is a 100% street car, no track time planned, stoplight to stoplight.

i wanted the power band in the rpm range where i'll be driving 95% of the time

I dunno... I was just thinking with the smaller intake you'll need to go with a more aggressive cam to reach 450 to the wheels...Are you gonna have the intake ported any?

1slow95 · Nov 9, 2006

Aliate X said:
Go search a little on hardcore50.com, 450rwhp can be had out of an aggressive 347. Not trying to be a dick, just telling the truth. 450rwhp out of a 408 is just over 1hp per CI obviously, which isnt that great.

Most 400+ engines I've seen on forums put out 450-480rwhp n/a. I know it's easy to get 500+ just by putting in a huge cam, but you sacrifice driveability by doing that. My car runs almost perfect on the stock computer, how many guys with 450rwhp 347's can say that?

So just what exactly is your definition of "MUCH better than 450rwhp"? 500? 550? More?

urban96 · Nov 9, 2006

1 piece 351 oil pan gasket

ford - $18.88 FMS-M-6710-A351
fel pro - $33.39 FEL-OS30616R

Aliate X · Nov 10, 2006

Low-5.0 said:
Most 400+ engines I've seen on forums put out 450-480rwhp n/a. I know it's easy to get 500+ just by putting in a huge cam, but you sacrifice driveability by doing that. My car runs almost perfect on the stock computer, how many guys with 450rwhp 347's can say that?

So just what exactly is your definition of "MUCH better than 450rwhp"? 500? 550? More?

The most Ive ever seen out of a 351 based stroker setup was 722rwhp n/a 13:1 compression, yes I know thats not very "streetable" but just using it for an example. Streetability is opinion. I remember when people told me 4.10s and no front swaybar was unstreetable.

94darkhorse · Nov 10, 2006

Damn! That is gonna be one mean Stang. Can't wait to see it all done.

Black95GTS · Nov 12, 2006

Aliate X said:
The most Ive ever seen out of a 351 based stroker setup was 722rwhp n/a 13:1 compression, yes I know thats not very "streetable" but just using it for an example. Streetability is opinion. I remember when people told me 4.10s and no front swaybar was unstreetable.

It's a street car, not a race car. Since you read hardcore so much you are falling into the constant trap over there. Anytime someone wants to make a nice reliable streetable engine all of the pundits on hardcore have a habit of turning a solid plant into a titanium retainered, monster stroke, 8000 rpm, non-pump gas beast.

A 450rw 347 with a C4, 5500 stall, and 4.30s makes a hell of a race car but a pretty crappy daily driver. I think this build will be a great street engine. The intake choice was a bit of a flag but damn, if he doesn't like it then it only takes 3 hours to swap on a new intake!!!

Adam

95cobraguy · Nov 12, 2006

ngk plugs? cork valve cover gaskets? :nono:

1 piece oil pan gasket? u may want to rethink using those things. and i'm sure the $ u spent on those spark plug wire looms could have been better spent elsewhere. i know they're pricey, how much were they?

BlackVert · Nov 12, 2006

95cobraguy said:
ngk plugs? cork valve cover gaskets? 1 piece oil pan gasket? u may want to rethink using those things. and i'm sure the $ u spent on those spark plug wire looms could have been better spent elsewhere. i know they're pricey, how much were they?

i got ford rubber valvel cover gasgets

i also got a ford 1 piece oil pan gasget

the looms cost $38, not bad imo

bling is a part of what i am going for ... bad ass both sitting in the parking lot and on the the street

what is wrong with ngk plugs? care to recommend others?

95cobraguy · Nov 12, 2006

BlackVert said:
i got ford rubber valvel cover gasgets

i also got a ford 1 piece oil pan gasget

the looms cost $38, not bad imo

bling is a part of what i am going for ... bad ass both sitting in the parking lot and on the the street

what is wrong with ngk plugs? care to recommend others?

good call on ditching the cork valve cover gaskets, your saving yourself alot of headache. those things leak. i've had my valve covers off more times than i can remember and i'm still using my factory gaskets without any leaks. i would think the plain jane autolite plugs would be good, did your engine builder or anyone else recommend the ngks?

BlackVert · Nov 12, 2006

95cobraguy said:
good call on ditching the cork valve cover gaskets, your saving yourself alot of headache. those things leak. i've had my valve covers off more times than i can remember and i'm still using my factory gaskets without any leaks. i would think the plain jane autolite plugs would be good, did your engine builder or anyone else recommend the ngks?

my builder had them on the list of parts he gave me.

blksn955.o · Nov 12, 2006

Autolites are good and cheap.

NGK's are DAMN good too though. I ran them in my KTM dirtbike and my buds ran them in Suki's, Yami's, Honda's, dirt and street bikes as well...for the money they were the best plugs we ever used and we ran the gambit on them.

I went with a NGK on my gt40 heads and ran the autolites on the stock heads both work great. I would not feel bad about running a slightly more $$$ plug if i trusted it as much as the cheaper.

Now if you had said bosch plat. plugs I would say get your head checked, I have yet to see a car run better with fresh bosch plats over 30k mile copper's.