Pics of my 408 at the machine shop

a chevy motor with a march system and my a/c and alternator
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Looking good Chris. Keep us posted.


BTW, I'm an anti-cork gasket type of person. Cork is getting hard to come by. If we continue to use it for gasket material (which never really works), the price of wine is going to sky rocket. I like some wine from time to time.
 
Aliate X said:
A borg warner T-5 is what comes stock in 5.0s.

A tremec T-5 is a little better rated at 300 ftlbs
90-95 T-5's (except Cobra's) .... which were Borg Warner's .... were rated at 300 ft/lbs.





1983-1984 = BW Non-World Class rated @ 265 ft/lbs.

1985-1989 = BW World Class rated @ 265 ft/lbs.

1990-1995 = BW World Class rated @ 300 ft/lbs.

1993-1995 Cobra = BW World Class Z Spec rated @ 310 ft/lbs.



There are obvious differences through the years posted .... but that sums up the torque ratings.
 
Question...Why are you holding what looks like a stock lifter, but you have a Comp Cams retro kit there which should be link-bar lifters? :scratch:

Looks great, tho! Looks like you should have it together in a week or two.

Edit, I see they are stock lifters....You didn't buy the spider hold-down kit did you? Those require a special cam, just FYI.
 
Low-5.0 said:
Question...Why are you holding what looks like a stock lifter, but you have a Comp Cams retro kit there which should be link-bar lifters? :scratch:

Looks great, tho! Looks like you should have it together in a week or two.

Edit, I see they are stock lifters....You didn't buy the spider hold-down kit did you? Those require a special cam, just FYI.
the retro kit is the spider lifter hold in place thingy. i decided to go with that and stock-style lifters instead because the link-bar lifters were so damn expensive.

by the way, i found out the the deal with smaller base circle cams ... it has nothing to do with converting to hydraulic rollers or anything like that. it has to do with the amount of lift you are going with and not pushing the lifters too far out of their bores.
 
SeventyMach1 said:
90-95 T-5's (except Cobra's) .... which were Borg Warner's .... were rated at 300 ft/lbs.





1983-1984 = BW Non-World Class rated @ 265 ft/lbs.

1985-1989 = BW World Class rated @ 265 ft/lbs.

1990-1995 = BW World Class rated @ 300 ft/lbs.

1993-1995 Cobra = BW World Class Z Spec rated @ 310 ft/lbs.



There are obvious differences through the years posted .... but that sums up the torque ratings.

IIRC Tremec bought out BW or bought the rights to the T5 and make it. The trans is the same just a diff. name from the buyout. I dont think it was done until the late 90's or early 2000's (earlier than 06 I mean). The ratings did go up from model to model like posted though due to changes. The t5 still finds itself in the mustang even today in the v6 models.
 
BlackVert said:
the retro kit is the spider lifter hold in place thingy. i decided to go with that and stock-style lifters instead because the link-bar lifters were so damn expensive.

by the way, i found out the the deal with smaller base circle cams ... it has nothing to do with converting to hydraulic rollers or anything like that. it has to do with the amount of lift you are going with and not pushing the lifters too far out of their bores.

Ok....That makes sense to me. Any idea what the max lift would be?
 
testing the conversion of my build spreadsheet to text ...
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        from                   desc                                 parts    ship/labo qty    each       part #               notes

        Scott                  351 block                                  250                            1971 windsor         rings
                               CHP 408 kit                               1100                                                 clevite 315-0036
                               28 oz balancer                               0                            PP-90006             1/16, 1/16, 3/16
                               girdle                                       0                                                 moly

        Precision Engine       bore                                                165                   .040 over
                               hone                                                 90
                               align hone
                               deck / square                                       180
                               cam bearings                                30       90                   inc freeze plugs
                               rod bearings                                65
                               main bearings                               65
                               rings                                      150
                               cam                                        339       10                   CCA-35-426-8         FW XR288RF-HR10
                               pushrods                                   170       10                   not sure which

        Summit                 BALANCER BOLT KIT                        18.88     9.95       1    18.88  ARP-150-2501
                               HEAD STUD KIT                           132.95                1   132.95  ARP-154-4203
        order #6843195         STUD KIT                                   6.5                1      6.5  ARP-154-7005
        total: $1,512.88       FORD 351W OIL PUMP DRIVE SHAFT           16.88                1    16.88  ARP-154-7901
                               FLYWHEEL BOLT KIT                         9.88                1     9.88  ARP-200-2802
        customer #07873162     CAM BOLT KIT                              3.88                1     3.88  ARP-254-1001
                               OIL PAN STUD KIT                         37.88                1    37.88  ARP-254-1901
                               ENGINE BLT KIT 351W 12PT SS             109.88                1   109.88  ARP-554-9503
                               THERMOSTAT                               19.69                1    19.69  BCI-78001
                               ROCKER ARMS RLLR 1.6 7/16 SBF           269.95                1   269.95  CCA-1332-16
                               TIMING SET 289-302 351W 73-94            59.88                1    59.88  EDL-7811
                               TIMING SET 62-65/73-95 221-351           59.88                1    59.88  EDL-7814
                               HEAD GASKET EACH                         123.9                2    61.95  FPP-1006             loc wire
                               VALVE COVER SET                          32.95                1    32.95  FPP-1645
                               OIL PAN SET                              11.88                1    11.88  FPP-1809
                               REAR MAIN BEARING SET                    21.95                1    21.95  FPP-2902
                               OIL PUMP FORD                            21.95                1    21.95  MEL-M68
                               DISTRIBUTOR HOLD DOWN CLAMP               7.88                1     7.88  MRG-2502
                               SPARK PLUG WIRES 8.5MM RACE              78.88                1    78.88  MSD-31189
                               SPARK PLUG                               19.12                8     2.39  NGK-7173
                               STARTER FORD 289 302 351                159.95                1   159.95  PWM-9162
                               FLYWHEEL 157 TOOTH 28.2oz.              239.95                1   239.95  RAM-1527
                               WIRE LOOM POLISHED                       38.39                1    38.39  RNM-1105P

        Summit                 POWER STEERING PUMP                     129.95     9.95       1   129.95  AGR-809102
        order #6594075         TIMING POINTER                           69.88                1    69.88  FMS-M-6023-B351
                               AUTO POLY-V BELT                         22.99                1    22.99  GTR-4060770
                               PULLEY KIT                              661.69                1   661.69  MCH-30330
                               POLISHED AIR CONDIT COMPRESSOR          289.88                1   289.88  MCH-P410
                               POLISHED 140AMP ALT                     269.95                1   269.95  PWM-8-67140
                               WIRE LOOM SATIN                          38.39                1    38.39  RNM-1105S
                               289/351W TIMING CHAIN COVER             118.95                1   118.95  SES-5-60-04-201
                               WATER PUMP                              123.95                1   123.95  WND-8215P

        Summit                 RETRO FIT HOLD DOWN KIT                  49.69     9.95       1    49.69  CCA-31-1000
        order #6745315         LIFTERS HYD SBF W/OEM RLLR CAM          239.95                1   239.95  CCA-851-16
                               ROD BEARING                               55.6                8     6.95  CLE-CB663H
                               MAIN BEARINGS                            71.99                1    71.99  CLE-MS-1432H
                               CAM BEARING PERFORMANCE COATED           45.95                1    45.95  DUR-FP-18T
                               VALVE COVER GASKET SET 5.0L              26.95                1    26.95  FMS-M-6584-A50
                               ONE-PIECE OIL PAN GASKET                 18.88                1    18.88  FMS-M-6710-A351
                               PISTON RINGS                            163.39                1   163.39  TSR-CT3690-45


        Summit                 75MM THRTTLE BDY 94-95 MUST GT          205.95     9.95       1   205.95  BBK-1524
        order #6676075         SILVER SBF EFI SN95 ADAPTER              98.95                1    98.95  TFS-5150SN95-00

        AJE                    K-MEMBER                                   399       25       1      399  MU-4011RR            1/2" DROP MOTOR MOUNT, 3/4" RACK DROP
                               SPRING PERCHES                              39                2     19.5


        derrick36 (Corral)     UPPER INTAKE                               240       10                   EDL-3822             Edelbrock RPM
        usps tracking #        LOWER INTAKE                                 0                            PP-54126             Pro Products
        0306 1070 0000 1280 241MASS AIR METER                               0                            LMAF-90MM            Lightning

                               injectors                                    0                            use mine
                               intake gaskets                               0
                               intake studs                                35
                               valve covers                                26                            SUM-G3321
                               JLT cold air intake w/filter               185       20                   http://www.jlttruecoldair.com/products.php?make=Ford&model=5.0%20and%205.8%20Fox%20body&year=all%20years

                               motor mounts                                90                            Year One             HPM 3/4" drop
        summit                 351 headers                                900                            kooks                1-866-586-5665
        corral                 distributor                                 65        2                   [email protected]

        chp                    oil pan                                    199        0                   canton 15-670s
                               pickup                                       0                            15-677               - w/above kit
                               dipstick                                     0                            20-850               - w/above kit



                               timing cover                                 0                            reuse mine
                               heads                                        0                            use mine

                               blower                                   -2000       75                   sell this
                               holley intake                             -100       25                   sell this
                               snow kit                                  -250                            sold
                               typhoon                                   -250       25                   using it
                               e7 heads                                  -450      100                   sell these
                               MAC long tubes                            -350       30                   sell these
                               bbk shortys                                -50       15                   sell these


        Total                                                         6014.66


        http://www.alternativeauto.com/waterbox/wb_archives/351_nut_bolt.html
        http://www.mustang50magazine.com/techarticles/18818/
 
blksn955.o said:
IIRC Tremec bought out BW or bought the rights to the T5 and make it. The trans is the same just a diff. name from the buyout. I dont think it was done until the late 90's or early 2000's (earlier than 06 I mean). The ratings did go up from model to model like posted though due to changes. The t5 still finds itself in the mustang even today in the v6 models.


Exactly right. It was 1998. My quoted point up there was to say that the Tremec's were not "better rated".







That's a nice lookin' list there Chris! It's good to see you being able to recoup that $$, too.