Predictions for sepcial editions.

[Scot_94GT]

I know we all want a supercharged 6.2L DOHC six speed IRS yadda yadda yadda, but what do you realistically think there will be in terms of special editions.

My thoughts:
A package with 18" wheels and/or stripes and/or suspension will arrive early/summer 2005. Whether this wil be called a "Bullit" or a "Boss" or whatever is anyone's guess, but it won't have any powe increases unless it gets a 5-10hp boost from a better exhaust or a cold/ram air system.

For the 2006 model year we might see another engine option in the form of a "Mach 1" or "Boss" variant...or possibly a Shelby. I predict this model will have between 50 and 75 hp more than the GT, being produced from either a supercharged or stroked version of the 4.6L 3v.

The SVT model won't happen until the 2007 model year, but it will be the LS2 killer/C6 Z06 competion with 450+ hp, hopefully coming from a 5.4L or with a far reaching imagination, a 6.2L. If they decide not to call it a "Cobra" due to the Shelby Cobra roadster being a possible produciton car, then that's fine with me.

I know this has been discussed to death, but I'm bored with the current threads. Also, the other "prediction" threads seem to be more like wish-lists. So what do you realistically think will be rolling out of Detroit in the next few years?

 

[ChromeYellowGT]

The special edition will be called the Ghia. It's features will include a body colored landau style vinyl top and 18" steel wheels with simulated wire wheel covers.

 

[SVTdriver]

I think we will see a slightly more "tuned" version of the 4.6 3v. As a special edition. Since the bullit was basically an intake. The mach 1 was a different engine. So unless they swap in a cobra motor again like the mach. I don't think we will see a great deal of hp in the next SE.

 

[spectravp]

I think we will see a slightly more "tuned" version of the 4.6 3v. As a special edition. Since the bullit was basically an intake. The mach 1 was a different engine. So unless they swap in a cobra motor again like the mach. I don't think we will see a great deal of hp in the next SE.

I pretty much agree... I think the first SE's will be mostly cosmetic, maybe the fog light delete, louvres... you know, some additional retro touches. Maybe a different seating surface pattern and shifter knob.. stuff like that. Under the hood, SVTdriver said it best, "slightly more tuned version of the 4.6 3v". And, you have, I would guess, a 10% chance of IRS.

In terms of the SVT offering of 2007, I doubt it will be the 6.2. I guarantee it will have IRS though.

 

[mustangGT03281]

im hopein for a boss, bad. i wanted them to bring back the 5.0 for the 05, maybe just for this SE instead. other then that mach 1's are definate, everyone loves them, but who can imagine the new stang with a shaker scoop?

 

[SVTdriver]

I'd be almost willing to guarantee that SVT will NOT put the 6.2 engine in the Cobra. Until we have it's dimensions we have no idea if it would even fit in a stang. Then we have to wonder what would be the weight penalty.

 

[spectravp]

I'd be almost willing to guarantee that SVT will NOT put the 6.2 engine in the Cobra. Until we have it's dimensions we have no idea if it would even fit in a stang. Then we have to wonder what would be the weight penalty.

Yeah... that's pretty much what I had thought too... In fact, I think I said it in here somewhere... I think the 6.2 is gunna be too heavy where it will start to have a negative effect on handling, that is, if it fits... which I doubt! You look at the pics of the 05 with it's hood up at shows and it looks mighty tight in there with the 4.6 3v, let alone a 6.2. The 5.4 is as far as I would go...

 

[SVTdriver]

Though maybe if it weighed enough. We could get that whole cool 80's thing. Where every musclecar had the rearend jacked up in the air. So the imports wouldn't hit our bumpers. Just the suspension underneath.

 

[numenor27]

Though maybe if it weighed enough. We could get that hole cool 80's thing. Where every musclecar had the rearend jacked up in the air. So the imports wouldn't hit our bumpers. Just the suspension underneath.

NICE

 

[351CJ]

Yeah... that's pretty much what I had thought too... In fact, I think I said it in here somewhere... I think the 6.2 is gunna be too heavy where it will start to have a negative effect on handling, that is, if it fits... which I doubt! You look at the pics of the 05 with it's hood up at shows and it looks mighty tight in there with the 4.6 3v, let alone a 6.2. The 5.4 is as far as I would go...

I saw the 2005 Mustang in the flesh, and there is PLENTY of room around the 4.6L. There is at least 4" between the widest part of the engine and the shock towers.

Since the 5.4L (with the same 3V heads) is only 1.5" wider (3/4" on both sides), the 5.4 3 valve will also EASILY fit , including being able to install it from the bottom on the assembly line. Height will be a another issue, if they use the same type of intake manifold it won't clear the hood, so a scoup or buldge would be needed because the 4.6L 3V barely clears the hood and the 5.4, with the same style intake manifold would be an inch or more higher.

A 5.4L DOHC will also fit between the shock towers, but I don't believe that it will be able to be installed from the bottom which would make it not production feasable.

As far as the 6.2L goes, to parapharase Tyler "This is ALL speculation". None of us know what the bore, stroke, what any of the external dimensions are, what sort of heads it has, 2V, 3V, 4V". So all that is going on here is rampant speculation.

But assuming that the new 6.2L is a scaled up up 4.6L 3V engine that has a 102mm bore, a 115 mm bore spacing and a 95 mm stroke, it will only be about 1.5" wider and 1.8" longer meaning that it will fit into a 2005 Mustang without any problem.

 

[spectravp]

I saw the 2005 Mustang in the flesh, and there is PLENTY of room around the 4.6L.

I am at a disadvantage as I have not seen it in the flesh, so you would know better than I. That would be nifty if the 6.2 fit.... even more nifty if Ford put it in there...

 

[GelatiCruiser]

I think the 6.2 would be a pipe dream....save for seeing it in a GT-R or something. But as for a new Kebra, I think it's safe to assume a 5.4L engine.

 

[Z28x]

I think we will see a slightly more "tuned" version of the 4.6 3v. As a special edition. Since the bullit was basically an intake. The mach 1 was a different engine. So unless they swap in a cobra motor again like the mach. I don't think we will see a great deal of hp in the next SE.

That would be a good one, maybe up the compression on the 3v 4.6L to 10.5:1 have it run on 91 and put out like 335HP, then add 18" rims and a different spoiler.


A 450HP aluminum 3v 6.2L would be great for the next Cobra R, granted the 6.2L isn't out yet, but in SOHC 3v all aluminum form I'm willing to bet it is lighter and has a lower center of gravity than both the 03-04 iron Cobra engine and the DOHC 5.4L in the '00 Cobra R

 

[RICKS]

ChromeYellowGT brings up an amusing prospect... retro-inspired special editions that we probably DON'T want to see!!! (Yes, these are all based on ACTUAL Mustang models from the past):

Mustang "E"
Mustang II "mpg"
Mustang Grande'
Mustang Ghia
Playboy Pink Mustangs

That's all I can remember for now that rank on my "no thanks" meter.

 

[RICKS]

Wonder if we'll get a vinyl top option???

 

[351CJ]

Since it's not on your list, I assume that means you want to bring back the Mustang II King Cobra model.

 

[RICKS]

FUNNY you should mention that, because I had originally typed it out as the last entry of my list, and even gone so far as to footnote it as "goofily-over-spoilered-stickered-clown-car" for those who may not know what a Mustang II King Cobra was, and then I was going to add a deft jab, inferring that all those spoiler and scoop junkies on this forum that would probably LOVE a modern version of the King Cobra, and I thought about it for a few seconds, and I pondered..............and I wiped it out, figured I'd play nice today, and I didn't want some King Cobra owner to come on here and be totally insulted and come absolutely unglued at me. But NOW, since YOU opened the can of worms...... I've got carte blanche!!


Oh yeah, by the way, how 'bout that '05 Mustang!!! (I didn't want to risk my post being "moved" due to lack of '05 Mustang content or context, hence the edit).

 

[mustangGT03281]

i had a king cobra for 2 months. not a totally bad car, but you are right, it had the big snake on the hood and snakes on the sides, plus the big one across the back(mine was red so all tapeing was gold) it was way to small for me though. the best part about it was it kinda rekindled that 60's muscle mustang style, just missing the big performance. maybe ford will make a mean looking 05 V6 with lots of tape...

 

[351CJ]

I think the 6.2 would be a pipe dream....save for seeing it in a GT-R or something. But as for a new Kebra, I think it's safe to assume a 5.4L engine.

You are correct, at this point in time the 6.2L is a pipe dream

As of today ALL we know is that Ford has admitted that they are working on such a V8 engine AND it is primarily intended for trucks.

That is ALL we know

We do NOT know WHEN it will be in production
We do NOT know ANYTHING about its design parameters.
We do NOT know anything about its HP & TQ ratings.
We do NOT know how heavy it is and if it has an iron block.
We do NOT even know if it will fit into a Mustang from the bottem, the way they put in the engine and trannie on the assembly line.

Essentially we know NOTHING exept Ford is working on it.

It could be a year away or it could be 5 years away. Over on BON several Ford employees who work at engine plants such as Cleveland, Windsor & Romeo have been discussing the 6.2. NONE of them have heard anything about which plant will build the 6.2. That lack of information says that the 6.2L is most likely at least 3 years away from production.

 

[pony542]

Performance Editions Coming??

Not sure, but they got to do something in late 05 / early 06. They got to.

You could build nothing but V6 edition for a few years, and the brand will sell out because, well, cause its a mustang with droves of loyal followers and a fair number of mindless hand raisers that say "ooh ohh, something new, me too". But we dont chose that option, bring on the V8's, such as they are.
But with these, sooner or later the street performance has got to come around. 280-290 at the wheels for the weight of the car is ok for a starting point ... but will still get smoked by Vettes, M's and the like, .... but thats not fair comparision ...

What may be fair is stuff like the GTO and Charger. GTO would be interesting ... for '04. (Read July's Motortrend for a good artical comparing the '04 rivals when it comes out). But while 04 to 04 is ok .... what the heck is next years article going to say when its 05 to 05? Rumor has it LS2 coming from GM, got to figure 380-400HP. Dearborn's got to answer, dont they? And the rumored Charger will be out in the 350 + range. All rumors, but I think we should at least have some good Stang rumors to counter these.
And Solid Rears may be nice for Dragging, but get out in the real world road situation, hit a bump and watch that rear end dance, got to figure the IRS will rule. Mustang can make its claim to styling .... but I dont want to be on the end of the artical that says "The car looks good sitting at the light .... and is still sitting at the light after its competitors have taken off"

So, I figure Dearborn has two options .... up the pony's under the hood and get credible, .... or become a circus pony (looking pretty) and then hide in the dark corner of a stable with its tail between its legs when its time to run with the big dogs. Interesting choice ... answer should be more interesting.