The difference here is we roll down to track track, exactly how we drive our cars on the street. We are not rolling on slicks and skinnys....drive the cars there and then start having fun.
Like I said...people can run 12s with them, but they need the hookup....generally when you see these times posted, its after alot of passes of perfecting the launch on a good track.
Like HRP for instance, that track hooks like a mad man....back several years ago I pulled a 1.90 60' on bald 285 kumhos, with my bolton GT, ran a 13.5 @ 100 in a 20MPH head wind lol....those things were ice on the street but that track just plain rocks.