Hey like i said, it sounds like you are a pretty good driver but u have just ran into LS1 drivers that arent good. Because if u find a LS1 driver that is good, it will be game over for u, i promise. So congrads on bein a good driver, but i for sure wouldnt try and find any LS based car that has a good driver behind it.
I agree, I had a bolt on 00 M6 Vette and would hit the traps at 109-110 in the mid 12's with stock gears pulling around a 1.8/1.9 second 60 foot mark on stock size/brand tires. I also had a 94 Formula LT1 M6 with a intake and exhaust and could smash on bolt on SN95's.
I could stay nose to nose with a stock Terminator on the street in the Vette. I never, not one time ever had a Fox or a SN try me in the Vette. I actually stayed on the rear bumper of a stock GT500 after about 50/60mph but the 500 pulled to that point from a dig on me. GTO's are not drag cars though, Vette's are not either. The weight of the GTO kills it and the suspension geometry of the Vette is setup for turns more than lateral acceleration.
I have no need for BSing. I'm sorry to hear that most of you stang owner's are having problems out running LS-1 cars. I out run them in the 60'. Whatever I pull them out of the hole it pretty much stays there. Like I said above, after the quarter it's a totally different ball game. When the local tracks open back up in a few months, I'll post some video's of some races. There are a few guys on this sight that live close by & can be a witness to these races.
I'll also agree, when all my car had was weld in flow masters, a TB and intake i went to an 1/8th mile track and ended up racing an SS camaro with Full exhaust, short throw, lid, and tune and I was murdering him up until like the last 100-200 ft. Even though i lost i still felt good knowing he couldn't even handle his own car.:fairyfight:
It's nice to see some reality being injected into this thread as of late. I've resisted posting several times, because it was just complete nonsense.
No 2V GT is going to outrun an LS1 ANYTHING in bolt-on form. I don't care if it's M6or auto.
The auto/M6 LS1 F-bodies are rocketships, and their GTO counterparts are heavy but also extremely stout.
People who beat LS1s in their mildly modified GTs are facing terrible drivers, simply put. You can't possibly scientifically analyze a situation where a bolt-on GT beats an LS1 and not pin the causation on either LS1 Driver Error, or some other external variable (LS1 driver's engine exploded, he was racing on the grass shoulder, he was racing in Low Earth Orbit.)
These are low 13 second cars with the right driver, STOCK. 300rwhp STOCK. I've seen it with my own eyes.
I'm not as well versed with the LS1 GTOs, but I know this. Stock M6 GTOs in LS1 form run low 13's STOCK. Traction, a few cheap mods, and some track time = high 12's. The automatic GTOs are just as quick as the M6 cars, just like the F-bodies were.
My 4.10 geared 250rwhp '98 GT could holeshot the living ish out of my brother's stock 300rwhp '99 Z28 M6. I had him all the way through 1st gear (3.37 1st gear and 4.10s tend to do that, when you're not sliding sideways from lack of traction.) Once he rowed through 2nd and 3rd, it was over. There is no "lead to be held" against an LS1. Given open blacktop and functioning motor skills, an LS1 driver will mow down a GT, simply because they've got enough power to compensate for their relatively soft launching abilities.
Don't throw factoids my way like "Bolt-on GTs run 12s" and "Blah Blah this and that." I'm aware of what a bolt-on GT can do, at the track, with stickies and some gearing (and a great driver.) But comparing apples to apples, in a street contest, with all the variables, on street meats? My money goes on the LS1.
Unless you've got numbers, any street war story is anecdotal.
It's nice to see some reality being injected into this thread as of late. I've resisted posting several times, because it was just complete nonsense.
No 2V GT is going to outrun an LS1 ANYTHING in bolt-on form. I don't care if it's M6or auto.
The auto/M6 LS1 F-bodies are rocketships, and their GTO counterparts are heavy but also extremely stout.
People who beat LS1s in their mildly modified GTs are facing terrible drivers, simply put. You can't possibly scientifically analyze a situation where a bolt-on GT beats an LS1 and not pin the causation on either LS1 Driver Error, or some other external variable (LS1 driver's engine exploded, he was racing on the grass shoulder, he was racing in Low Earth Orbit.)
These are low 13 second cars with the right driver, STOCK. 300rwhp STOCK. I've seen it with my own eyes.
I'm not as well versed with the LS1 GTOs, but I know this. Stock M6 GTOs in LS1 form run low 13's STOCK. Traction, a few cheap mods, and some track time = high 12's. The automatic GTOs are just as quick as the M6 cars, just like the F-bodies were.
My 4.10 geared 250rwhp '98 GT could holeshot the living ish out of my brother's stock 300rwhp '99 Z28 M6. I had him all the way through 1st gear (3.37 1st gear and 4.10s tend to do that, when you're not sliding sideways from lack of traction.) Once he rowed through 2nd and 3rd, it was over. There is no "lead to be held" against an LS1. Given open blacktop and functioning motor skills, an LS1 driver will mow down a GT, simply because they've got enough power to compensate for their relatively soft launching abilities.
Don't throw factoids my way like "Bolt-on GTs run 12s" and "Blah Blah this and that." I'm aware of what a bolt-on GT can do, at the track, with stickies and some gearing (and a great driver.) But comparing apples to apples, in a street contest, with all the variables, on street meats? My money goes on the LS1.
Unless you've got numbers, any street war story is anecdotal.
Almost all of the past races were with my old fox's 88GT & 91lx. I work with 2 guys & 1 has a 2000 lS1 camaro 6spd 3.42 gears with K&N & exhaust. And the other has an 05 GTO with K&N & exhaust. I out ran them both thru the quarter. After the quarter its all down hill for the stang. I usually pull out about 1-2 car lengths and hold that thru the quarter. The old 96 don't do to bad.
So what everyone is saying that a 2000 LS-1 camaro with a K&N filter & a weld in flowmaster runs low 13's!!!
yes. A few have gone 12's bone stock. They usually pick up 10-15hp with just a filter and lid. Most trap 105-110mph stock, so your car must be a freak to pull on one.
Ok, here are my LS1 stories.
We ran 40-whatever four times. It was two for two.
I just drive the piss out of my car and knew where to run him where his car was at its weakest point from a roll race standpoint.
The LS1 is my all time favorite engine, ever... BUT, it's entirely possible for a sn95 with bolt-ons, a decent ring gear and a PI long block to pull a couple average Ls-1 drivers. It's the same thing with a modded 99+ v6 versus a stock sn95 v8, it's possible.
Amongst us (the entirety of stangnet) is maybe a few professional racers, a bunch of weekend warriors, and the rest just have a quick car that we surprise ourselves with every once in a while. For the sake of the argument, let's try and keep it real.
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