Regular tokico shocks/struts ok for lowering?

Blk01gt_ · May 9, 2006

I want to lower the car (finally!), and have some questions.

Would FRPP C springs be best if i just want to get rid of the 4x4 lift kit look, but dont want all the hassle of a completely slammed car? How about the H&R sport springs, i see alot of guys have those.

And do i NEED to get new shocks/struts as well? It's an 01, so I'm guessing I probably should? Would these Tokico's be ok, or are they garbage? (they arent the adjustable illuminas). I just want it to look a little nicer, not really lowering the car in hopes of setting slalom records or anything.

http://www.themustangshop.ca/site/cat_viewpart.php?PartNumber=SEIzMDI2

http://www.themustangshop.ca/site/cat_viewpart.php?PartNumber=SEUzNjA4

And also how about MM caster camber plates and new isolators, are those pretty much a must have, or not?

Blinkstang · May 9, 2006

I have the exact setup in question on my 02 GT: H&R Sports, Tokico HP's, and MM C/C Plates. I love the drop and the ride feels just as stock with the shocks. No problems on my daily driver on the pothole infested streets of Chicago. I wouldnt do the C Springs if your looking to get rid of the 4x4, the H&R's will definetly make you happy without slamming the car.

hotrodnut · May 10, 2006

The Tokico's would be ok but be sure to keep the rubber bumpers that are on the stock front struts, you can cut them down some but using them will prevent the struts from ever bottoming out. The best thing is to use CC Plates as Blinkstang did on his Mustang. Note in his picture that he has installed spacers on top of the CC Plate bearing which allows the strut to be extended more than when using the stock CC Plates. This will allow the strut to have more travel before bottoming out.

tomustang · May 10, 2006

Use the damn search http://forums.stangnet.com/search.php

UhadMEatGT · May 10, 2006

I put the Eibach pro kit on my 97 GT vert, along with the Mach 1 Tokico struts and shocks. Great set up. Nice and low, no gap, great ride! I paid a total of around $425 for everything...new!!

hognutz · May 10, 2006

I would personally just buy tockico's complete lowering kit as then it should have waranty that way as it was designed to work together. goes for about $400 shipped on ebay. you should not even need CC plates if you go that route.

as for issolators look at them. i got them but when I was talking of the stockers they were fine. could have saved myself some coin.

tomustang · May 10, 2006

hognutz said:
you should not even need CC plates if you go that route.

just having the chassis from ford is grounds for getting C/C plates, having them is 'more needed' than not needing them for lowering

Blk01gt_ · May 10, 2006

hognutz said:
I would personally just buy tockico's complete lowering kit as then it should have waranty that way as it was designed to work together. goes for about $400 shipped on ebay. you should not even need CC plates if you go that route..

Ok, i just searched on ebay, but didnt find a complete package for 99-04 mustangs.. there were only complete packages for fox bodies and 94-98. Do they actually have complete package for 99-04 and just no one is selling any right now?

Are thos tokico springs in the packages as good as say, H&R sport springs?

hognutz · May 10, 2006

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/TOKI...33590QQitemZ8061817472QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

I don't know how they compare to H&R quality wise. I went H&R but I also chose bistein over tokico.

JetBrett · May 10, 2006

I just put in Ford Racing "C" springs with Tokico blue shocks and struts. I got a bit over an inch and a quarter drop in the front and about an inch drop in the back. I'm kicking myself that I didn't do this sooner. The drop is very noticable and the cornering is much, much improved.

Price played a big factor in my decision. I also didn't want to "slam" the car since it is a daily driver and a drop of 1.5 inches or lower would not be practical for me. The "C" springs have basically the same spring rate as Steeda springs, but are $100 cheaper. I also wanted to avoid the extra expense of cc plates, bumpsteer kits, etc. I felt that the Bilstein dampers were the best on the market quality-wise, but chose the Tokico due to the much lower cost and to feeling that they may be too stiff for my set up. Hope this helps.

JetBrett · May 10, 2006

Blinkstang said:
I wouldnt do the C Springs if your looking to get rid of the 4x4, the H&R's will definetly make you happy without slamming the car.

I would not agree with this. Frankly, I don't see a big difference - visually - with my set up. However, I would agree that H&R's do give a great look and are a high quality product and I came close to buying them. If I was racing or showing my car more, I would have gone with H&R's.

Check out www.2kgt.com/item.php?itemid=74 for a ton of photos of 97-04 Mustanges with different spring spring set ups and a detailed list of the spring rates for most springs on the market.

hognutz · May 10, 2006

the main thing that made me not even look at ford springs was the fact that the stock ones did not sit even. the car was different heights at three of the four corners. I would hope there FRPP springs are better but I was not going to chance it. I am OCD about quality control. If you can't make a spring that makes the car ride at the same hieght how accurate is the rate?

my h&r's have the fender wells at the same hieght on all four corners. I don't have C springs to chime in on how they are.

BaXTeR3221 · May 10, 2006

Subscribing since i'm doing this in a couple weeks. Does anyone have a picture of the tokico packaged installed so i can see how it sits? I'm debating buying tokico s/s and h&r springs or just the whole tokico package.

tomustang · May 10, 2006

JetBrett said:
Check out www.2kgt.com/item.php?itemid=74 for a ton of photos of 97-04 Mustanges with different spring spring set ups and a detailed list of the spring rates for most springs on the market.

chad's got a great information site, great guy too, he doesn't vist here though

Blk01gt_ · May 11, 2006

JetBrett,

I'm, pretty much in the same boat as you. I don't want to spend a whole lot, and my mustang is my daily driver, so I don't want to slam it so much that i scrape everywhere. So you're saying the Ford C springs definately gave you a noticable drop from stock and gave it more of a sports car stance than before?

I just hate how my car has more wheel well gap than my dad's fricken lincoln LS, and want to take some of that away without getting to drastic. ( I even drive all winter in the snow, and after big snowstorms sometimes the snow ruts scrape on my undercarriage at the stock height.) I'm kinda thinking the C springs would be best for me. Unless anyone has any experience with that Tokico package that comes with tokico springs on ebay, I think I'm gonna go with the C's.

Thanks for all the replies guys.

hognutz · May 11, 2006

I think the tokico is 1.25-1.5 drop even on the corners. I personally don't like them as much as H&R but they will look just as good as the C springs.

I have seen a pic before as I was torn between economical and expensive when I did my car. I just new I would kick myself later if I did not do the H&R with bilsteins.

02FastblackGT · May 11, 2006

Yeah, I think it's safe to say that the Steedas, Tokico's, Eibach Pro-kit, & the FRPP "C" springs will all give you ROUGHLY the same drop 1.25-1.5" front, 1-1.25" rear. It seems that the H&R's and the Eibach Sportlines are the one's that "slam" the stangs. I have the Eibach Pro-kit + Tokico HP's, very satisfied w/ the drop since I don't scrape on anything, but did improve the overall look & handling of my stang!! Also, I prefered this type of drop, as opposed to the bit more aggressive, since my wheels hardly camber in, tire wear won't be an issue!! The Tokico HP's are good for daily driving, they're not too expensive, but improve ride quality and handling quite a bit. As everyone always says though, be sure to get a alignment!!

Blinkstang · May 11, 2006

02FastblackGT said:
It seems that the H&R's and the Eibach Sportlines are the one's that "slam" the stangs.

Only true regarding the H&R SS (Super Sport) springs. The H&R Sport springs give you a moderate drop without slamming, comparable to the Eibach Pro Kit but with a rake up front.

gtvertsoon · May 12, 2006

hognutz said:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/TOKI...33590QQitemZ8061817472QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

I don't know how they compare to H&R quality wise. I went H&R but I also chose bistein over tokico.

I have that exact kit ordered from that company. Transaction and everything went perfectly, as did the install. Love the improved handling and looks. The drop wasn't quite enough for me so I cut half a coil off the front and got a great rake.

Here is a comparison pic. Top is stock, bottom is a few hours after the install. They settled a bit after this.

Here is a sig I made after I cut the springs. I think the rake looks great.

JetBrett · May 12, 2006

Blk01gt_ said:
JetBrett,

I'm, pretty much in the same boat as you. I don't want to spend a whole lot, and my mustang is my daily driver, so I don't want to slam it so much that i scrape everywhere. So you're saying the Ford C springs definately gave you a noticable drop from stock and gave it more of a sports car stance than before?

I just put new wheels and tires on today. I liked the idea of only an 1" drop in the rear since I wanted to put a bigger wheel/tire combo on. I'm now running an 18x10 tire (285/40/18) in the back with a 17x8 (245/45/17) up front. To me, the look is perfect and functional. The tire/fender gap is noticably smaller and even in the front and back now. I'm going to try to post a photo in a bit, but for some reason, I've never had much success doing it on here.

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