Statement about new Camaro

[justabigkid]

I think the challenger for me would be the drag pac edition. This is going to be a true factory built drag car. It is going to be available in three versions for about 30k. It will not be street legal because it has no safety equipment, lexan windows, the motor is moved back etc....it will way over a 1000lbs less than a stock challenger.
http://www.mopar.com/home/pdf/challengerpackage.pdf

 

[bentley429]

Ok fine, its not worth arguing about chevys on a mustang forum. Cant wait for the next "what do I need to beat a LS1" and the replies that will come, "h/c/i and a 100 shot will deff smoke one! Hopfully he doesn't have a cam or something though! GTOreturns and Mustang5L5 both made statements similar to me and nobody seems to notice.

04YellowGT, did a camaro pick on you or something lately?

 

[04YELLOWGT]

Ok fine, its not worth arguing about chevys on a mustang forum. Cant wait for the next "what do I need to beat a LS1" and the replies that will come, "h/c/i and a 100 shot will deff smoke one! Hopfully he doesn't have a cam or something though! GTOreturns and Mustang5L5 both made statements similar to me and nobody seems to notice.

04YellowGT, did a camaro pick on you or something lately?

What so someone brought up reasonable points and now you don't want to argue? Seriously go buy a Camaro or Vette, I'm sure no one will miss you.

Sorry I could care less if a Camaro can beat my GT. I ran 10.8s@128 and thats as fast as I want to go in my DD. I'm on stock heads and suspension so there is alot left on the table. Tell me man what does your 89LX run. If I can get my little DD 4.6 2V to run 10.8s just imagine what I could do with my Shelby or an LSX.

 

[bentley429]

What so someone brought up reasonable points and now you don't want to argue? Seriously go buy a Camaro or Vette, I'm sure no one will miss you.

Sorry I could care less if a Camaro can beat my GT. I ran 10.8s@128 and thats as fast as I want to go in my DD. I'm on stock heads and suspension so there is alot left on the table. Tell me man what does your 89LX run. If I can get my little DD 4.6 2V to run 10.8s just imagine what I could do with my Shelby or an LSX.

Runs good enough that I am not scared for you to show up at my doorstep wanting to run. Whats that have to do with anything anyways. A LS1 NA stock heads will run 10.80's Not sure what your getting at here now...

 

[bentley429]

And I am not going to argue about the gt500 deal anymore because its a complete waste of time. Fighting over the internet is pretty lame.

 

[04YELLOWGT]

Runs good enough that I am not scared for you to show up at my doorstep wanting to run. Whats that have to do with anything anyways. A LS1 NA stock heads will run 10.80's Not sure what your getting at here now...

Well you asked if a Camaro had beat me, just wondering what your car ran to make yours invincible.

Yea there are tons of streetable NA LS1s running 10.8s

And I am not going to argue about the gt500 deal anymore because its a complete waste of time. Fighting over the internet is pretty lame.

No but you can run your mouth until some one comes with real evidence to defend it.

 

[bentley429]

Man you really are a tool go back to the 4.6 forums. I mentioned you getting beat by a camaro as a joke because of the reply you made. I don't remember saying my car was the fastest thing out there. Never said a word about it actually. You were the one to bring it up not me. Theres a bunch of NA LS1's around here that run 10's see them every weekend really not sure why you think they are unstreetable. It all comes down to this, like said before it doesn't matter how the car is making power NA, stroker, turbo, supercharger, nitrous whatever. If its fast its cool end of story.

 

[GTOreturns]

HAHA replying to a post that doesn’t compare anything fairly.

Dude do you realize that the Challenger weighs 4100-4200lbs which is more than the GT500 and the new Camaro is going to be right in line with the GT500 in weight also? Not to mention its a 5.4 against a 6.1 and 6.3 add to it that a GT500 has sooo much room to grow with very little money needing to be thrown at it.

A SRT8 Challenger is a low 13sec car bone stock a Shelby is a low-mid 12.

The LSX motor rules because its in a Vette that weighs half the weight of a GT500 and is much more aerodynamic. Lets see how the all mighty LS3 runs when its in the Camaro. My guess is it will be a low 13sec car at close to the same price of a Shelby just like the SRT8 Challenger.

You might want to get your facts straight before you start talking sh**.



Good job comparing apples to oranges. Lets see $70K two seater sports car vs $45k Pony Car.

Who gives a sh** if the car has a blower. What happens when Chevy doesn’t have to use a motor that runs high compression or isn’t a 5.7-6.3 motor. Lets see what they do with a 4.6L or a 5.4L without running 10.7+:1 CR.

Let's make it fair? R u kidding me? IT"S WHAT THE CAR MAKER CHOSE!!
It's cubic inch against boost! Hell I choose boost! BUT! Let's add some boost to those cubic inches and I give you Chevy. Who's fault is it to choose a 5.4?

So the Vette weighs 1/2 the amount of a GT500? Dam! I thought the Vette was 3000lbs, not 2000! How do they do it over at GM?

 

[leroy93lx]

Posted via Mobile Device I read in a magazine just last night that the 6 cylinder Camaro will be 300hp. Thats what they were comparing to the 08 Mustang GT! Now thats a slap to the face.

 

[blubullett]

And I am not going to argue about the gt500 deal anymore because its a complete waste of time. Fighting over the internet is pretty lame.

Yea! He knows he's wrong. Hopefully he never comes back.

 

[Juggalo95]

Camaro looks cool...Faster than GT stock but probably cost more. Challenger looks cool but to big and bulky. I dont care for the retro styling Id rather have a terminator stang...but im for needs to ditch the lil cube 4.6 and at least rock a 5.0.

To me I look at the mustang as the domestic "civic"...slow out the box but a ton of mods and there cheap(somewhat) and so many options with a very good plat form to start with.

doesnt matter to me who faster because Im not gonna pay $500+ a month for a car payment when I own my old pos car...sucks to go to work and spend so much time paying for a car

 

[EXTRPR50]

Wellllll, we have gone into a different direction since I last was here...LOL
Of course I put this to Mustang guys, because that is who reads here (Mostly).
I have looked at our cars, like my Fox coupe, as underdogs and I love taking Corvettes and their rich owners. But that's Mustang attitude. Mustang guys have it. We get beat, we throw some money into our cars, usually by installing everything ourselves and go back out and find the guy that beat us. Inexpensive car, the fox body as an example, plus the right parts, plus good driving. It's a good feeling to beat the rich Vette owners. Because we put time and sweat into our cars to accomplish this. Not go into a showroom and buy a z06. Really, good for those guys, and I wish I could do that. But once again, underdog mentality.
So, no animosity here, Im just talking to the Stang troops about smack being laid down by Chevy execs.
And by the way dont look at my sig as the car beating vettes. This is as close to a stocker as I have ever had. I was refering back to my sold Stangs.

 

[5.0Torx]

you chevy guys are ridiculous. its the same argument everytime. probably because chevy only made one drivetrain since 97. LSx/6 speed/rwd/big brakes/wide tires.

Corvette: LSx/6 speed/rwd/big brakes/wide tires
Camaro: LSx/6 speed/rwd/big brakes/wide tires
Firebird: LSx/6 speed/rwd/big brakes/wide tires
GTO: LSx/6 speed/rwd/big brakes/wide tires
All of their austraillian cars: LSx/6 speed/rwd/big brakes/wide tires
All of their trucks: LSx based engine, bla bla bla

theyre almost as original as porsches body crew! its pretty easy to be a dick to mustang owners when you own a Z28. Its a corvette with a crappy chassis. Sure theyre fast, and thats cool, i want one, but its not original at all. Thats why im a ford guy. Supercharger or not, they change it up.

And lets not forget, no chevys you read about in the mags or on the net putting out 700+ rwhp are using stock internals. Fords terminators and the GT/GT500 engines? Ha. Enjoy, chevy man.

 

[GTOreturns]

you chevy guys are ridiculous. its the same argument everytime. probably because chevy only made one drivetrain since 97. LSx/6 speed/rwd/big brakes/wide tires.

Corvette: LSx/6 speed/rwd/big brakes/wide tires
Camaro: LSx/6 speed/rwd/big brakes/wide tires
Firebird: LSx/6 speed/rwd/big brakes/wide tires
GTO: LSx/6 speed/rwd/big brakes/wide tires
All of their austraillian cars: LSx/6 speed/rwd/big brakes/wide tires
All of their trucks: LSx based engine, bla bla bla

theyre almost as original as porsches body crew! its pretty easy to be a dick to mustang owners when you own a Z28. Its a corvette with a crappy chassis. Sure theyre fast, and thats cool, i want one, but its not original at all. Thats why im a ford guy. Supercharger or not, they change it up.

And lets not forget, no chevys you read about in the mags or on the net putting out 700+ rwhp are using stock internals. Fords terminators and the GT/GT500 engines? Ha. Enjoy, chevy man.

Why change it if it ain't broke? In the Z-28 Mustang battle what was the last year Mustang was faster?
( GT or LX, NO Cobra's)
1990? 89?

 

[bentley429]

No reason to change a good thing. When they compare the v6 camaro to the gt mustang thats pretty sad.

 

[NIKwoaC]

I think the challenger for me would be the drag pac edition. This is going to be a true factory built drag car. It is going to be available in three versions for about 30k. It will not be street legal because it has no safety equipment, lexan windows, the motor is moved back etc....it will way over a 1000lbs less than a stock challenger.
http://www.mopar.com/home/pdf/challengerpackage.pdf

Haha! Thats really cool! But it seems like a hoax, its almost too good to be true...

Anyway, you can argue horsepower all you want, but the truth of the matter is that the Mustang has always won over the Camaro in what Ford designed it to do... Sell.

 

[JKidd]

I thought this was about performance...and who was performing better.

Looks are subjective. Sales are irrelevant (I would actually prefer to have one of 1000 Camaro's compared to the sea of 50,000 Mustangs around me).

I thought we were talking about performance for similar price. Someone commented that Chevy hasn't changed their driveline in over 10 years. Maybe not the simple layout you explained but it has been DEVELOPED and altered and tuned (all leading to IMPROVEMENT upon the previous versions). Plus, the new Camaro has an IRS - the old ones did not. This Camaro is a true peformer - either competing at the dragstrip or road course, the bottom line is Chevy did a good job with this car. If Ford's changing drivelines improved their performance, great. However, for the amount they have bounced around, there has only been marginal improvement. I would have been THRILLED if they kept developing the Cobra ('03-04 versions) and improved the IRS in that car. I don't care if they get 450 hp with a blower or with cubic inches - each has their benefits and downfalls.

Unfortunately, a lot of decisions at car companies are not made by "car guys". They're made by executives who, like someone has stated, are more interested in sales numbers and performance takes a back seat. It seems as Chevy has done a very good job of making decisions to please car enthusiasts and have put together a very nice, good performing package in the new Camaro.

We know Ford has the parts and definitely the development personnel to put together a solid package, but they have been resting on their sales and lack of competition when it comes to the high performance version of the Mustang (aka. Mustang GT). There is no reason they can't put a motor in there with 400 hp. Hell, even put a motor in with 385 hp, 6 speed, IRS and make it lighter! This is where they could totally kick some MAJOR a$$. Don't necessarily need to overpower the competition (the Mustang has never been known for that) but they finally have a solid chassis to build a very good performing car from. Concentrate on keeping the weight down and get a better power to weight ratio than the competition (Camaro and Challenger).

I think this new Camaro will widen the gap in performance between the two. I hope Ford steps up and gives us something that we can be proud of to compete with the Camaro instead of making excuses.

Bottom line: in a performance (for similar price) competition, it appears as though the Mustang will lose to the Camaro in most categories (acceleration, handling, braking, etc.).

 

[ryan218]

idc. i wouldnt mind having like a 01 SS camaro...but damn. i cant stand the people that drive them. cocky as hell...ill stick with ford!

the mystang GT has always been an afordable fun car. thats the whole point they started with in 64. afordable for the younger crowd. look at who drives mustang. hell the young kids. down to the old people. again afordable!!!!!!!!!!!

what do you see the most of on the road????? MUSTANGS!!!!! THAT TELLS YOU SOMETHING!!!

 

[sgw_88FoxGT]

Back to my original point, it is about sales. Dodge now makes the Challenger R/T for under $30,000 and I'm sure Chevy will find a way to put the Camaro in the same range. Now what effect does this have on performance? Easy, the more cars that are sold, the more upgrade parts will become available for them. Sure a modified Mustang could beat a stock Camaro or Challenger but given how well priced the Challenger R/T is, it'll starting selling pretty damn good and that means more aftermarket companies will sprout up to cater to them, and also eventually to the Camaros. And then after five years when the new Challengers and Camaros are being sold used for $15,000 and fall into the hands of guys like us who pride ourselves on do-it-yourself and go-fast-for-cheap mods... well, hello competition. Anyway you cut it, Mustangs have their work cut out for them. It's all healthy competition.

I mean, Mustangs have been ruling the road since 2002 when the F-body was discontinued and we've been feeling pretty comfortable sitting high and mighty having the only V8s on the road. And now that our boats getting rocked we're getting insecure, e.g. "Chevy's suck! Give my Mustang extra cubes and I'll show them! My Mustang can still kick their arses!" Great. Shut the hell up. It's not about whose car can beat whose with extra cubes or extra mods, it's about what sells the best cause what sells the best will have the best aftermarket support and it's what sells the best that will put the other guys out of business. Mustang did it to the F-body in 2002. Now the F-body is back. Let the best car win.

 

[04YELLOWGT]

Let's make it fair? R u kidding me? IT"S WHAT THE CAR MAKER CHOSE!!
It's cubic inch against boost! Hell I choose boost! BUT! Let's add some boost to those cubic inches and I give you Chevy. Who's fault is it to choose a 5.4?

So the Vette weighs 1/2 the amount of a GT500? Dam! I thought the Vette was 3000lbs, not 2000! How do they do it over at GM?

Why don't you read what you butt-buddy bentley wrote and give him crap. He talks about removing the blower. That was my whole point as long as you make power who cares how its made. Also yes Chevy added boost with the LS3 charging people $100k+. Im sure you your going to pick one up right away aren't you.

Also the Vette statement was over exaggeration. I think we all know the Vette isn't half the weight of a GT500.

Why change it if it ain't broke? In the Z-28 Mustang battle what was the last year Mustang was faster?
( GT or LX, NO Cobra's)
1990? 89?

Obviously it was broke thats why the Camaro has been gone for 6+years. I see the new Camaro having the same fate as the GTO.