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Thinking about going with a supercharger

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Rick 91GT

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I'm sure that price is for the tried and true V-1 S-trim, old technology, straight cut gears.

Mike Vortech has a much better line of blowers out in the SQ model of the S-Trim, helical cut gears (quieter) better bearings, more efficent, etc...but they cost about $1000 more if I am correct.

My biggest issue with the Vortechs is the tension system sucks, belts almost always slip, and the 1 bolt holding tensioner just doesn't work very well. Most guys crank the belt tension which only causes premature front bearing wear and failure. I think atleast now the S-trims come with the good brackets which flex less then the old style.

The Novi 2000 is a better more efficent blower, should make more power, and has decent brackets.

A Procharger has dual tensioners and since the stpe up ratios are different they typically run a much larger pulley which helps as well, more surface area for the belt. They also have the best bearing system and shaft support by design, a much better blower and very efficent. I also like that they have a line of self contained blowers so the oil is seperate from the rest of the motor if you pop a head gasket or have an issue. The brackets are very sturdy on any of the kits, and for a street car the intercooler makes a lot of sense. The install is a little more time consuming.

I have installed all of the above manufactors and I can honestly say the Procharger cars impressed me the most. That is why I also went with a Procharger for my build. My buddy recently added the S-trim to his car (he got it for a great deal with lots of extras) upon tappinf the oil pan for the drain he must have missed a small piece of metal (he had the tap packed with grease, flushed it all out and ran a magnet through it) and it took out the motor, I just finished a 331 for him... After looking around I found this has happened to quite a few people, although I have NEVER ran into that issue personally.


Most of the kits come with FMU, you tell them what inj you are running when you buy the kit to get the intial disc matched to your injector, then go from there.

Check your PM
 

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Rick, you got me thinking again lol. I sent ya 2 PM 's. Thanks

Mike
 

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Rick- Jegs lists this part # 933-4FA218-040SQ on their site for $2556 and they list it as a V2 SQ S trim. Is that the new improved one you were talking about? Im gonna get a price from that vender. The one thats $1000 more comes with a cooler.

I guess the 'SQ' is just the quieter one huh? Thats the one my buddy has and it is quiet. DO they make an S trim with the imrovements but not super quiet?
 

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Worse than a woman!!!! Make you're damn mind up!!, LOL

Go back to the original deal, BIG cubic inch windsor. No s/c tuning issues, keep it simple My only issue is that I HAVE seen stock crank snouts snap due to the stress of blower pullies. This leads to jumped time, junk heads/cam/and rotating assembly ect......not pretty. Do what you have to do though to reach you're power goals.
By the slide rule and et calculators my rwhp is 500+, n/a, pump gas. Just my worthless .02.
Mike.
 
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who here knows 87fiveliterGT


what is the blower he has, keep me away from that thing it sounds like hell, theres no whistle at all to it instead u get this nasty mettalic sound


sry to bring it off topic I was just wondering what blower that is and if thats a common thing?
 

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stang2841 said:
sry to bring it off topic I was just wondering what blower that is and if thats a common thing?
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Pretty common, and alot of people like that crap. I think it sounds like ass too. Those are the Vortech A and S trims. 90's technology at its finest. Avoid those.


Just be done with it and get a N2k. Last blower you will ever have to buy.
 

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Mike all the DQ series are quiet...and strong. I can tell you where to go for the ulitimate crank brace is you get the Renegade lower pulley. It will help with the stress on the crank.
 

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As of now, im leaning to the vortech S trim kit. Now I gotta decide if I want the noisey unit or the slightly improved SQ S trim. Rick you were right with going with the bigger blower as opposed to the entry level kits. Once you add in some of the needed stuff, the entry level stuff isn't all that much cheaper.

Now since I plan on using 30's with an fmu for now, do I just tell them my injector size and they send me a standard 30lb fmu? Do I need to use an inline pump? I know vortech comes with a t rex but since I already have a 255 high pressure in tank (gss 340) that t rex will probably be a fuel bottle neck. Im sure I can easily sell that and with the $100 rebate I save even more money.

I also know I need to use my smog pump. I'll probably gut it or buy a smog eliminator kit.

Any more comments?
 

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As of now, im leaning to the vortech S trim kit. Now I gotta decide if I want the noisey unit or the slightly improved SQ S trim. Rick you were right with going with the bigger blower as opposed to the entry level kits. Once you add in some of the needed stuff, the entry level stuff isn't all that much cheaper.

Now since I plan on using 30's with an fmu for now, do I just tell them my injector size and they send me a standard 30lb fmu? Do I need to use an inline pump? I know vortech comes with a t rex but since I already have a 255 high pressure in tank (gss 340) that t rex will probably be a fuel bottle neck. Im sure I can easily sell that and with the $100 rebate I save even more money.

I also know I need to use my smog pump. I'll probably gut it or buy a smog eliminator kit.

Any more comments?
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Just tell them what inj you have and you'll get the FMU, you cna tweak it if needed down the road by changing the disc. We ran the Hi-Pressure 255lph and the ATI inline with no adverse effects and had consitant pressure (never saw a restriction), I like the inline pumps.
 

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hey Mike, send me a PM or call me. I'm interested ina blower also.
Lemme know
Dan
 

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Rick, where can I get info on that ATI in line fuel pump? I'd like to run a 255 high pressure in line if I need one because IMO its best to match the in line with the in tank rather than go bigger or smaller. Any other blower info?

Dan, I PM'd you.
 

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Well, depending on my mood when I get home tomorrow, I might place an order for a Vortech SQ S trim. The price is good especially with that $100 rebate! I'll keep you guys up to date.

Rick, where can I find out info on that inline ATI pump? If I buy this kit i'll probably just sell the t rex and buy a good 255 high psi in line if I need it.

Any other S trim guys have any more information?
 

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Any other S trim guys have any more information?
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Buddy of mine with tfs h/c/i with an s-trim made 508/488 at the wheels, when it runs and doesnt blow head gaskets. How about a turbo????????? , lol j/k. Will rock with a s/c set up correctly.
mike.
 

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Man I love my S-trim. No problems here. I am not running an fmu. I had M.V. Performance burn an autologic chip. No head gasket problems. The tune on it is really safe. I can not afford to build a motor now. So I had Tim bring it up to only 402rwhp on a mustang dyno with 10lbs of boost. I didnt want to go any higher cause of the stock block. Im probably still pushing it though. The car makes plenty of power for me its quite fast. As far as my fuel system I am running 50lb injectors, a regular 255 walbro and the T-rex. The s-trim has been on for 3 yrs now. Mine is not a daily driver though. The only thing I do not like is how loud my S is I do wish it was a little less audible. I did at 1st get the standard s cause I figured I would never get tired of the sound. Which I still love it just not all the time. If your car is a daily get the SQ. Hope some of this helps you out.
 
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I have a h/c/i setup myself and ran 108mph n/a. I decided that wasn't enough and put a novi 1000 pullied for 12psi and even with 30lb. injectors, fmu and 255lph pump I still blew the head gaskets in 6 spots on the first pass down the track. I'm sure if you get a good tune and if you can keep the blowby to a minimum you would like it. But for me I didn't like blowing the pcv out everytime I got on it and the cramped engine bay. I also had serious idle problems even though I was using a bypass valve. So what I did was sold the blower and bought a 347 kit. I should have it in by next month and have it running.
 

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Mike the ATI inline is basically idnetical to the T-Rex, you should just keep the T-Rex if it comes with the kit.
 

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Summit says that kit im looking @ comes with an fmu, by pass valve and a fuel pump. I guess that fuel pump is the T rex. Does vortech include a alum discharge or is it urethane? It also includes a BTM.

Rick, I dont see how putting a pump in line that flows less than whats in the tank wouldnt restrict flow? Is it worth selling the T rex and buying a 255 high psi in line?

5.0 hatch, good luck with that 347 combo. I had one all planned out but to do it right was ungodly expensive and throwing a blower on my car now will make more power for a lot less.

If I do get the blower im going to look into an anderson PMS down the road. Can I use the PMS with an FMU?
 
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All this talk is turning me on to blowers now! When people talk about loud or quiet blowers, are they talking about the noise of the drive mechanism or the whistle of the impeller? I think the whistle is great!
 
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stang2841 said:
who here knows 87fiveliterGT


what is the blower he has, keep me away from that thing it sounds like hell, theres no whistle at all to it instead u get this nasty mettalic sound


sry to bring it off topic I was just wondering what blower that is and if thats a common thing?
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that would be an A-trim , go with a nice V-1 S trim and it will sound and move out nice
 

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Just installed a base A trim on a '88 turbo coupe T bird for $1825 shipped from Summit with a $100 rebate to send in. Pretty much a no brainer. Sounds like marbles coming loose at idle, but quiets out at 1200rpm and sees an honest 6psi on a Autozone shortblock with Edel heads, a E cam and a cobra intake, with full exhaust. Pretty nice kit, took about 6 hrs to install. Rick, I ended up running a regulated air line into the valve cover breather to help eject the metal junk while tapping out the pan (very scary). Ran pretty good stock so I fabbed a power pipe from a 3" mandrel bent U bend exhaust pipe from Summit ($26) and picked up 2 psi. The car is an absolute blast to drive. Pulls harder than my '93 and that's saying something.

Greeny, either take a crap or get of the pot. Guys are getting tired of offering comments or honest opinions and having you go off sideways towards the next big thing.

Jamie
 
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