Who will you vote for in thew Federal Election
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5ive.oh
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See what Martin can do? Who has been pulling chretiens strings for the last couple of terms? You don't think that our previous PM could think for himself do you? He could hardly walk and talk at the same time, or at least make any sense when he did. All the politicians running for election are useless, that we all agree on, who is less useless needs to be determined. You can't base that decision on campaign promises as there is absolutly no law that requires a candidate to honor any promises he/she made during the campaign run. Harper I kmow little about, what I know of Martin makes me shudder to think he is in charge. When the gun registry turned into a billion dollar joke, the sponsorship scandal was in full swing was it not Martin at the wheel of finances? How could he not know hard earned tax payers money was being stolen?
I agree the gun thing was not delt with well but s#*t happens, i am not a political person and yes there is no clear REAL leader hear, But Harpers views are to "churchie" NO to gays NO to abortion no to other things too,so if i don't go to church im a bad person? and if you ask a question that his supporters dont like you get boo'd. He's not the guy for the job. Martin in my eyes is the lesser of two evils. To bad Prestin Manning still wasnt there.
5ive.oh
Founding Member
I agree about manning for sure. I believe Harper is against gay marriage, not being gay. Any place there is a debate and you voice an opinion not shared by the majority you will get boo'd. Lesser of two evils? I think he is just the evil we are more acustomed to so it makes it easier for us to swallow. Ryan H's descrition of the two parties was right on, the way it's setup now our government and all it's subsidaries (spelling) have a "greater than thou" attitude, and have adopted a do as we say mentality. Our civil servents have even forgotten that they work for the population. We need change, good or bad we need it.
bunny_power
New Member
LOL, if Harper had had his way our guys would be in Iraq dying right now. IMO that instantly disqualifies him from being PM. I'm all for building up our military, but it should be for our own purposes, not so the US can use our guys when their guys start to get tired of being killed.
http://www.cbc.ca/canadavotes/politicalcanada/iraq.html
"Canadian Alliance leader Steven Harper said the government should remember “where our bread is buttered” and support its most important ally and neighbour."
http://www.cbc.ca/canadavotes/politicalcanada/iraq.html
"Canadian Alliance leader Steven Harper said the government should remember “where our bread is buttered” and support its most important ally and neighbour."
5ive.oh
Founding Member
I definately agree that war is not good. Understand however that it's the military's job to fight and yes to die. The motives may be unclear, but that's how war is, never is it a hollywood script with good guys in white and bad guys in black.
Anyway, Harper or Martin, either way we get a bad deal.
Anyway, Harper or Martin, either way we get a bad deal.
bunny_power
New Member
Thats a Liberal lie.Harper believes that we should have a stronger force to assist the UN. CBC is the liberals puppet. Never believe them. Martin is far worse than Harper. Harper believes that the Gay Marriage issue is something that the people of Canada should vote on not the courts. Courts don't make laws just inforce them. So far the liberals have done nothing but let the courts decide legal issues. That tells me that they are cowards.bunny_power said:
The US does Millions of dollars worth of business every year. This mad cow and softwood lumber dispute wouldn't be happening if the CRETIN would have given Verbal support to the US at UN in New York. Troops weren't requested just a verbal backing was all that they wanted
Here is your Liberal leadership.
“A proof is a proof. What kind of proof? It’s a proof. A proof is a proof. And when you have a good proof, it’s because it’s proven,” Chrétien told reporters.
bunny_power
New Member
King of Cobras said:
LOL, leave the revisionist history to the Americans, Harper supported the invasion, end of story.
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"Nay." - Conservative leader Stephen Harper voting against a motion urging the Canadian government not to participate in the US military intervention in Iraq, March 20, 2003.
"The time has come to recognize that the U.S. will continue to exercise unprecedented power in a world where international rules are still unreliable and where security and advancing of the free democratic order still depend significantly on the possession and use of military might." - Stephen Harper, May, 2003, speech to the Institute for Research on Public Policy.
"Thank you for saying to our friends in the United States of America, you are our ally, our neighbour, and our best friend in the whole wide world. And when your brave men and women give their lives for freedom and democracy we are not neutral. We do not stand on the sidelines; we're for the disarmament of Saddam and the liberation of the people of Iraq." - Stephen Harper, Friends of America Rally, April 4, 2003.
"Mr. Speaker, the issue of war requires moral leadership. We believe the government should stand by our troops, our friends and our allies and do everything necessary to support them right through to victory." - Stephen Harper, supporting the American invasion of Iraq, House of Commons, April 1, 2003.
"This government's only explanation for not standing behind our allies is that they couldn't get the approval of the Security Council at the United Nations - a body [on] which Canada doesn't even have a seat." - Stephen Harper supporting the American invasion of Iraq, CTV's Question Period, March 30, 2003.
"It is inherently dangerous to allow a country such as Iraq to retain weapons of mass destruction, particularly in light of its past aggressive behaviour. If the world community fails to disarm Iraq, we fear that other rogue states will be encouraged to believe that they too can have these most deadly of weapons to systematically defy international resolutions and that the world will do nothing to stop them." - Stephen Harper supporting the American invasion of Iraq, House of Commons, March 20, 2003.
bunny_power said:
I get so sick of hearing this rhetoric over and over again, specifically for two reasons.
#1 - Its not exactly like the US is getting its ass kicked in Iraq. If you look for news outside of the CBC you would find that the general citizenry of Iraq LOVES the troops. They have rebuilt 1500 schools, have clean, running water in the whole country, have twice the power grid that they did before the war. The country is going to have an accountable government in less than a month, for the first time in over 30 years. People forget what kind of guy Saddam really was. Do some research. Anyways, 800 troops have been killed in over a year of fighting. It took about an hour to kill 800 people on D-day.
# 2 - Where is your bread buttered? The Mustang you drive, the Wal-mart you shop at, the gas you buy, the computer you are typing on, etc. People seem to forget that Canada is inextricably liked to the US. More importantly, they are our friends. People stand up for their friends in the real world, and they should in government as well.
Finally, there is nothing scary about Stephen Harper. He's a middle-aged white guy from the suburbs...spooky. He may well be against gay marriage/abortion(I don't know), and that is his right. BUT, what is the party platform? That these issues are human rights issues that have already been decided in the courts. There will be no changes to the laws in this country regarding those things. The only people that should be scared are those that live off of government handouts.
As for the gun registry, well, violent crime is up in both England and Australia. But of course, the Canadian government can do it better
bunny_power said:LOL, leave the revisionist history to the Americans, Harper supported the invasion, end of story.
Thats all the US wanted verbal support. The Liberals are freakin cowards to make any major descisions. Harper is the only one who has the balls to step up to the plate. The mad cow and softwood lumber wiouldn't have happened if the Cretin or Paul Martin would have stepped up to the plate and said we agree in principle but are unable to send troops.Because we have cut funding to our military. Our natives have more weapons than our armed forces.
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"Nay." - Conservative leader Stephen Harper voting against a motion urging the Canadian government not to participate in the US military intervention in Iraq, March 20, 2003.
"The time has come to recognize that the U.S. will continue to exercise unprecedented power in a world where international rules are still unreliable and where security and advancing of the free democratic order still depend significantly on the possession and use of military might." - Stephen Harper, May, 2003, speech to the Institute for Research on Public Policy.
"Thank you for saying to our friends in the United States of America, you are our ally, our neighbour, and our best friend in the whole wide world. And when your brave men and women give their lives for freedom and democracy we are not neutral. We do not stand on the sidelines; we're for the disarmament of Saddam and the liberation of the people of Iraq." - Stephen Harper, Friends of America Rally, April 4, 2003.
"Mr. Speaker, the issue of war requires moral leadership. We believe the government should stand by our troops, our friends and our allies and do everything necessary to support them right through to victory." - Stephen Harper, supporting the American invasion of Iraq, House of Commons, April 1, 2003.
"This government's only explanation for not standing behind our allies is that they couldn't get the approval of the Security Council at the United Nations - a body [on] which Canada doesn't even have a seat." - Stephen Harper supporting the American invasion of Iraq, CTV's Question Period, March 30, 2003.
"It is inherently dangerous to allow a country such as Iraq to retain weapons of mass destruction, particularly in light of its past aggressive behaviour. If the world community fails to disarm Iraq, we fear that other rogue states will be encouraged to believe that they too can have these most deadly of weapons to systematically defy international resolutions and that the world will do nothing to stop them." - Stephen Harper supporting the American invasion of Iraq, House of Commons, March 20, 2003.
Like Ryan H said and like I said before stop Believing what the Communist Broadcasting Corporation has to say they are Liberal Puppets. We should send you to live in Iraq then you would understand how good you really have it here.
How about the way your Liberal friends have treated the natives. There just as bad as Hitler with his concentration camps the reserves should be dismantled as they are and they should be taught pride in there history.And be brought into the community and be part of Canada. Bring there heritage with them.
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GREENBIOCH
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Well it is good that we all have the right to vote....that is something you don't get in dictatorships such as sadams. I agree we should have supported the US, right or wrong. We like our freedoms just as the americans do, and we are indirectly linked to this war yet were not willing to get our hands dirty, it sickens me. Plus I would rather the killing happen on there land not ours.
As far as Harper goes, I say give him a chance, I mean We have seen what the liberals have been doing, and up to this point I'm not impressed.
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The liberals lick Quebec's ass too much.
The conservatives lick Bush's ass too much (and I don't want us to get stuck in George's war).
The NDP are way to eager to dole out cash to the useless.
The Bloc.... well, **** them.
This is so true.
As far as Harper goes, I say give him a chance, I mean We have seen what the liberals have been doing, and up to this point I'm not impressed.
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The liberals lick Quebec's ass too much.
The conservatives lick Bush's ass too much (and I don't want us to get stuck in George's war).
The NDP are way to eager to dole out cash to the useless.
The Bloc.... well, **** them.
This is so true.
GREENBIOCH said:Well it is good that we all have the right to vote....that is something you don't get in dictatorships such as sadams. I agree we should have supported the US, right or wrong. We like our freedoms just as the americans do, and we are indirectly linked to this war yet were not willing to get our hands dirty, it sickens me. Plus I would rather the killing happen on there land not ours.
As far as Harper goes, I say give him a chance, I mean We have seen what the liberals have been doing, and up to this point I'm not impressed.
Thats the ticket. Give the man a chance. He can't do any worse than what we've had in the past.
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The liberals lick Quebec's ass too much.
The conservatives lick Bush's ass too much (and I don't want us to get stuck in George's war).
The NDP are way to eager to dole out cash to the useless.
The Bloc.... well, **** them.
This is so true.
GREENBIOCH
Founding Member
I'm curious about the opinions of the people in eastern Canada, so I posted the poll over in there forum, here is the link.
http://forums.stangnet.com/showthread.php?p=4274169#post4274169
http://forums.stangnet.com/showthread.php?p=4274169#post4274169
bunny_power
New Member
King of Cobras said:Like Ryan H said and like I said before stop Believing what the Communist Broadcasting Corporation has to say they are Liberal Puppets. We should send you to live in Iraq then you would understand how good you really have it here.
How about the way your Liberal friends have treated the natives. There just as bad as Hitler with his concentration camps the reserves should be dismantled as they are and they should be taught pride in there history.And be brought into the community and be part of Canada. Bring there heritage with them.
Gimme a break, I post some quotes directly from the guys own mouth showing that he supported the invasion of Iraq and you think I've been co-opted by the CBC? Newsflash guys, Harper publicly supported the invasion, either accept it and move on, or justify it and move on, but don't deny it.
Its pretty obvious that you didn't read my first post in this thread because I sure as **** don't support the liberals, or the conservatives, or politicians in general.
bunny_power
New Member
GREENBIOCH said:
hehe, actually they had voting in Iraq, it was just that Saddam got 99.9% of the votes.
If this is going to turn into a war thread I'm going to need some popcorn.... or beer... or at least another coffee.
So your a Potheadbunny_power said:Gimme a break, I post some quotes directly from the guys own mouth showing that he supported the invasion of Iraq and you think I've been co-opted by the CBC? Newsflash guys, Harper publicly supported the invasion, either accept it and move on, or justify it and move on, but don't deny it.
Its pretty obvious that you didn't read my first post in this thread because I sure as **** don't support the liberals, or the conservatives, or politicians in general.
I never said he didn't support it. I said that the Communist Broadcasting Corp says that he would send troops thats incorrect. We need to stand behind Bush and say yes we support it. That doesn't mean we send in troops. that means we send a few more troops to do UN peacekeeping in Afganistan.To free up Americans to go to Iraq.
bunny_power
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King of Cobras said:
No, I just think politicians, and people who have faith in politicians, aren't running on all cylinders.
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