Why only the 460 BB in a Fox?

nmcgrawj

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How would the torque from a 460 compare to say a 408, 418, 427 stroked 351w? The 460 has a stroke of 3.85" right? Compared to a 4.0, 4.1, 4.17 inch strokes in the windors.

 

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86bluecobra

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comparible torque numbers. if they are both built engines.

 

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Actual 429 heads are extremely rare... They can be used on a 460 block with the appropriate crank to make a 429, also 427 428. It would be nice to see these in a fox, Get the new issues of HOT ROD They build a 429 out of a 460. Check it Out

 

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8950HO

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Here`s a list of all the FE engine sizes ever produced by Ford out of a book I have here.

332,352,360,361,390,391,406,410,427,428

The 360 FE went into pickup trucks.The 361 and 391 went into heavier trucks.

The FE series are tough engines,but the regular non-side oiler versions have a very poor oil system from the factory that should definately be modified/improved during a rebuild.

 

90NotchBack

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I run a 390 in my Falcon. They are storng and will last a long time if you know how to build them right. My motor has been in my car for 6 years and still going 11.50's. My boss has two FE motor for his 69 Mustang. He has a 428 that goes 10.90's and he drive it on the street and he also has a 427 Tunnle port motor with a 428 crank which makes it 454ci and it goes 10.0's. We have about 20 block, heads and rod laying around for FE. After this season I'm taking out the FE and putting a 503ci motor.

 

ExplodingGopher

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So 385 series engines can't rev huh? Heres a 429 mildly built fox taching 8,000 rpms at the track:

http://www.northcoastmusclecar.com/CCV/fordzillaincar.wmv

whoever said that 429s and 460s can;t rev, your full of ****. with a stock crank, good rods, and light pistons, you can safely rev to ~6500, stock main caps too. Power on the stock crank is limited to around 700-800 hp, the block can still take more, try that with a stock 302 block and crank. for only a few hundred dollars, i can throw in a 4.3" stroker crank to make around 521ci like most people do.

Everything is interchangeable on 429s and 460s except for the cranks, you can put a 429 crank in either factory built combo, but you can't put the 460 crank in a factory 429 block for some reason.

An FE fox would be pretty neat, but the cost would outweigh the benfits, unless your rich and have lots of time on your hande to hunt down FE parts. Plus, you need to fab everything to make it fit, as for exhaust, good luck.

I'd like to see a BOSS 429 in a fox. Thats rare.

 

bobcatv8

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The Gopher is right!
The potential for the 385 series engine is fanatastic. If I was going to run a BB, the 385 is the way to go, and I raced FE's for years before they got stupidly priced and always knew they were not as good as the 385's for poor mans racing. With all the aftermarket heads and stroker combos available to turn a 460 into a monster now it would make no economic or power sense to run an old FE in a Fox. I have nothing against the FE's, they are near and dear to me but the facts is what they is! I know ALL about the oiling mods that have to be made on an FE and have done many of them back in the day. However, don't underestimate the power potential of the old dinosaur FE, or one might bite you in the butt!

BTW, the 370 is indeed a 385 series engine, only put in heavy trucks, {600 series and up} for many years starting in 1979.

 

ExplodingGopher

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My 466:

I only spent ~$6500 to swap everything into my car and i can safely rev to 6,000+ rpms because i built it with a light rotating assembly and I completely rebuilt it with performance parts, and set it up for the future. I'll say it again, it surpassed my expectations and im very very happy with how streetable it is (minus the gas consumption) and how much power it has instantly, it can rev pretty damn fast, most of you have heard it.

 

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8950HO

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What`s the difference in weight between the FE and 385 series big blocks.

I`ve heard the FE is lighter,(surprisingly),by a fair amount.Anyone know the factory engine weights w/cast iron intakes/heads between FE and 385 series engines?

 

timewarped1972

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i think a FE weighs about 700 pounds. the cast iron intake manifolds weigh about 75 pounds, so an aftermarked shaves probably 40 or 50 off that. probably where the FE also gains some weight is the block. it extends down past the crank centerline, as where the 385 and others the pan skirts stop about crank centerline.....i have no idea what a 385 weighs but i'd immagine in the 6's......

 

90NotchBack

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Here is a pic of my FE intake. It's big, a cast iron one you will need two guys to pull one off a motor. The intake is half the of the head also. If you can see that the top of the valve cover bolts to the top of the intake. This is the intake I took off my motor.

This is the one I put on it.

This is what it looked like before I did all the work to it.

 

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fiveohGT

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ExplodingGopher said:

My 466:

I only spent ~$6500 to swap everything into my car and i can safely rev to 6,000+ rpms because i built it with a light rotating assembly and I completely rebuilt it with performance parts, and set it up for the future. I'll say it again, it surpassed my expectations and im very very happy with how streetable it is (minus the gas consumption) and how much power it has instantly, it can rev pretty damn fast, most of you have heard it.

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Just out of curiosity....what is your gas mileage in that beast?

 

timewarped1972

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90NotchBack said:

Here is a pic of my FE intake. It's big, a cast iron one you will need two guys to pull one off a motor. The intake is half the of the head also. If you can see that the top of the valve cover bolts to the top of the intake.


i've done the manifold on the FE a few times by myself, you don't need 2 people as long as your extremely pissed off.............lol

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bluevenom867

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Gopher,the FE can revv to,as a matter of fact it can revv right on by a 385 BB

Just think 427 Cammer (SOHC)

7500rpm's out of the factory

To bad not many were made..oh well.

Oh course,for all out racing,yea the 385 series is better...just throw on the Hemi heads,a blower,and mech injection pumping meth

 

ExplodingGopher

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fiveohGT said:

Just out of curiosity....what is your gas mileage in that beast?

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I'd say right around 5-7 mpg if i dont romp on it. 3-4mpg if i want to have some fun. Even with my 3000 stall and mild/wild cam, it still behaves great.