You may all openly mock me starting now. Or "how I blew close to 2 grand for nothing

jerry S

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You may all openly mock me starting now. Or "how I blew close to 2 grand for nothing"

I get my car over here. I am driving it home from inspection when things go haywire. The car keeps stalling out on me. I call the guy who built the motor and explained what was happening.

Him: "Well, it is tough to say but what you are describing could be a problem with the ignition."

In fact, the points were all screwed up in the dizzy and the inspector noted this.

Me: "so what should I do?"

Him: "You have the old ignition and dizzy in there. You might as well upgrade them. I suggest an MSD 6AL ignition and a new MSD pro-billet dizzy. That might fix the problem, assuming the problem is with your ignition and dizzy."

So I order those parts along with wires. After the purchase price, shipping from the US to here, 30% in duty and VAT, I have paid in excess of $1,000.

I install these parts and start her up. Take her on the the road. Same thing as before. Car just dies out. I have to pull over, wait a min or two, and then start up only to die off.

I solicit advice here and there. I am told by some, including folks here to consider a new fuel pump. I order a new Holley Blue along with a fuel log. Purchase price, shipping, duty and vat bring this to almost $500. I have it installed. That is not cheap either. The shop starts it up. Runs like a raped ape on the dyno. Then they road test it and the car sputters and dies.

The shope goes through a list. the carb is new, the lines are new, the log is new, the fuel pump is new. They guess that the fuel sender is bad. I order a new one from MU. I tell them I need it ASAP so I can make a race in Bitburg. Please send it Global Express mail. Well, they send it but w/o a post code, something I told them was crucial for getting packages delivered here. (Two weeks later, it is still no where to be found). Knowing that the package would be very much delayed, I am forced to order a new one. I cannot trust MU not to F up again so I order from LMM. I tell them to ship it Global Express. They ship it Global Express Guaranteed, which is twice as expensive as GLobeal Express. I pay $30 for the part and $55 for the postage. I have already paid $65 for the same part from MU, which is still nowhere in sight. I finally get it and rush it to the shop. Turns out that the carb was getting way too much fuel pressure and this was blasting the needles into a stuck position. This was my problem from day one. All I needed was a $23 Holley Max Pressure Fuel Regulator. Sigh. I hate myself. I would have much rather spent the money on the new paint job, which is once again put off do to my spuriorous deductions and proflagrat spending.
 
I'm sorry to hear what happened to you. Kudos for posting it, though.

I've seen a few threads on here where people just suggest which part to replace. Troubleshooting is not always easy, but the alternative can be very expensive. Hopefully other people will learn from your experience.

I hope you've hung onto your spare parts - possibly you can sell them or use them as back-ups.
 
Sorry to hear about all the trouble, but glad you got it all worked out. Looking on the bright side...you'll be better off in the long run with the new ignition...that's about the extent of the bright side though.

So where do you live that things cost so damn much?

Don't they make low pressure fuel pumps for us carb guys so we wont need additional parts, or would they just like to keep selling all the extra stuff?
 
I'm sorry to hear of your problems and the fact that you replaced parts (at considerable expence) that probably didn't need to be replaced. I too suffered like that on the first car that I ever built. Finally, I blew it up and decided to sell it. I probably spent $3,000 more than I should have on it.

Edbert is right, the new ignition system is something that you'll have for a long time and should be consistent and reliable.

As for the fuel pressure, if you don't already have a guage, please get one. Carbureted engines should only have 7 psi of pressure (maximum) or the resulting problems that you described will happen. I use a Carter mechanical fuel pump and it feeds both of my carburetors all the way up to 6,800 rpms without running out of fuel. It's very reliable and is quiet.

Hope this helps. Good luck!
 
yeah thanks for sharing. I know I have done a lot of things that cost me some major $$ and after the fact (usually after consulting the great people on this site) found that I totally boneheaded my decisions.

but hey you got some nice stuff so its not totally lost...
 
Edbert said:
Sorry to hear about all the trouble, but glad you got it all worked out. Looking on the bright side...you'll be better off in the long run with the new ignition...that's about the extent of the bright side though.

So where do you live that things cost so damn much?

Don't they make low pressure fuel pumps for us carb guys so we wont need additional parts, or would they just like to keep selling all the extra stuff?

I buy from Summit, LMM, MU, and MDepot. It is the shipping and duty that kills me. When people visit, I have them bring stuff in their luggage. My Meziere electric pump, billet harmonic balancer, and March Serpentine kit came over this way. My RPM Air Gap manifold, tall FRPP chrome valve covers, and Pro Magnum roller rockers are coming this way too. It is when I hit a brick wall and I cannot wait for a visitor to mule this suff over that I get strapped across a pommel horse while Commance by the Revels blares.

I just found out minutes ago that I have rust in the tank. New tank is on the way. $100 for the tank, $100 in shipping, then $30 in duty and VAT. Life is good. Wait, I hear a saxaphone starting up.......
 
Wow, I feel for ya man. At least you got some kick ass parts now that you might have bought later anyways..

If it makes ya feel better. I blew a thermostate gasket one day, ended up spending about 600 in total for a cutom/garage/junk yard build serpentine setup while I was at it... :shrug: you aren't the only one.
 
limey66 said:
We had it good over here a few months ago, when we got close to 2 USD to 1 GBP, but man the duty and the VAT is a killer on top of the shipping charges.

Yeah I know how that is. It's the same in New Zealand. In most cases the shipping charges are more than the parts itself. And the very few mustang parts suppliers we do have, have a pretty hefty mark up :notnice: so it works out cheaper to source the parts yourself from the States. You guys State side have no idea how lucky you are to have all the parts you need virtually on your doorstep for a fraction of the price
 
A_Code_Kiwi said:
Yeah I know how that is. It's the same in New Zealand. In most cases the shipping charges are more than the parts itself. And the very few mustang parts suppliers we do have, have a pretty hefty mark up :notnice: so it works out cheaper to source the parts yourself from the States. You guys State side have no idea how lucky you are to have all the parts you need virtually on your doorstep for a fraction of the price
Yeah, plus there are actually some junkyards here that have compatible parts.... for those of us too cheap to even buy at the cheaper State side prices. :D
 
ravenblack67 said:
Get another mechanic, slow down, never pay extra for shipping. Been there, done that, got in debt. Parked the car for six months getting out of debt.

This is the one place here in the Netherlands that really knows US V8s. They have their own racing team using 4.6 ford V8s. They race in europe, Bahrain, and Japan and compete in 24 hour races all over the place. They are building a N/A, non-stroked 351W for one of their race cars that will come close to 500 hp.

http:www.moritztuning.com and http:www.moritzracing.com

I am compelled to stick with them. Otherwise, my next best bet is a dutch pig farmer who works on tractors. They are taking over and putting the finishing touches on the car from the shop in Penn that built the car up. As for not paying more for trans-atlantic shipping, if you have some good tips for me on how to do this, I am open to suggestions.
 
I use Virginia classic mustang for ordering most of my parts. www.vamustang.com
They've got a huge range of parts for '65-'73 mustangs and there prices are some of the best I've seen around. :nice: And shipping charges are pretty decent as well. 20% of the order cost I think and they don't charge a handling fee either. Being based on the east coast it may make it a bit cheaper for you for shipping. They don't have an online store yet so you have to order by fax. I've recieved my parts quicker from these guys than cal-mustang or dallas mustang. The weight is the killer when it comes to shipping though. I use USPS when I can as it's cheaper than UPS etc, but I'm not usually in much of a hurry to get the parts. Hope that helps.
 
A_Code_Kiwi said:
. The weight is the killer when it comes to shipping though. I use USPS when I can as it's cheaper than UPS etc, but I'm not usually in much of a hurry to get the parts. Hope that helps.

I usually have people come from the US to visit and when they come, they haul the non-essentials in their luggage. Like I said earlier, my RPM Air Gap is arriving this way in two weeks. When it is an essential part, then I have to have it shipped and like you, I have found that USPS is the cheapest. I don't order from Jegs because they don't ship USPS. When ordering from Summit, they add a $23.00 surcharge for overseas shipments on top of the $8.95 base fee. I save this $23 by sending the package to my parents' house and then have my mom or dad take the package to the USPS to send to me, minus the receipt of course and always with a declared value of $50.